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From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Cleber Rosa <crosa@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 08/14] qapi/introspect.py: create a typed 'Annotated' data strutcure
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:20:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <77cc0262-3192-130f-81d8-a72193bf1020@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a6sjdet2.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On 2/4/21 10:37 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com> writes:
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 03, 2021 at 03:47:36PM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>>> John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Presently, we use a tuple to attach a dict containing annotations
>>>> (comments and compile-time conditionals) to a tree node. This is
>>>> undesirable because dicts are difficult to strongly type; promoting it
>>>> to a real class allows us to name the values and types of the
>>>> annotations we are expecting.
>>>>
>>>> In terms of typing, the Annotated<T> type serves as a generic container
>>>> where the annotated node's type is preserved, allowing for greater
>>>> specificity than we'd be able to provide without a generic.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
>> [...]
>>>> +class Annotated(Generic[_NodeT]):
>>>> +    """
>>>> +    Annotated generally contains a SchemaInfo-like type (as a dict),
>>>> +    But it also used to wrap comments/ifconds around scalar leaf values,
>>>> +    for the benefit of features and enums.
>>>> +    """
>>>> +    # Remove after 3.7 adds @dataclass:
>>>
>>> Make this
>>>
>>>         # TODO Remove after Python 3.7 ...
>>>
>>> to give us a fighting chance to remember.
>>>
>>>> +    # pylint: disable=too-few-public-methods
>>>> +    def __init__(self, value: _NodeT, ifcond: Iterable[str],
>>>> +                 comment: Optional[str] = None):
>>>
>>> Why not simply value: _value?
>>
>> Example:
>>    x = C(1)
>>    y: C[int]
>>    y = C('x')  # mistake
>>
>> Declaring value as _NodeT does:
>> - Make the inferred type of x be Annotated[int].
>> - Catch the mistake above.
> 
> I smell overengineering.  I may well be wrong.
> 
> Without doubt, there are uses for using the type system for keeping
> SomeGenericType[SomeType] and SomeGenericType[AnotherType] apart.
> 
> But what do we gain by keeping the Annotated[T] for the possible T
> apart?
> 
> _tree_to_qlit() doesn't care: it peels off the wrapper holding ifcond
> and comment, and recurses for the JSON so wrapped.  Regardless of what
> was wrapped, i.e. what kind of T we got.
> 
> Heck, it works just fine even if you wrap your JSON multiple times.  It
> doesn't give a hoot whether that makes sense.  Making sense is the
> caller's business.
> 
> So what does care?
> 
> Or am I simply confused?
> 
> 
> PS: As far as I can tell, _tree_to_qlit() doesn't give a hoot whether a
> dictionary's values are wrapped, either.
> 

You're right that it offers no necessary power to the automated 
checking, I cede as much in my other replies to you.

(1) I hope the explanation was helpful, because the technique will 
return for structures like QAPISchemaMember where it does become more 
obviously useful to disambiguate the wrapped types.

(2) It still has a notational benefit to the human for documentation and 
IDE purposes, e.g. at the end of this series:

```
self._trees: List[Annotated[SchemaInfo]] = []
```

That's nice! It tells us exactly what's in there.

Does it work if I dumb it down to just:

```
self.trees: List[AnnotatedThingy] = []
```

Yes, but it's worse to the human and the IDE both. I consider type hints 
as serving a dual purpose; both provability and declaration of intent.

--js



  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-04 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-02 17:46 [PATCH v4 00/14] qapi: static typing conversion, pt2 John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 01/14] qapi/introspect.py: assert schema is not None John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 02/14] qapi/introspect.py: use _make_tree for features nodes John Snow
2021-02-03 13:49   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 03/14] qapi/introspect.py: add _gen_features helper John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 04/14] qapi/introspect.py: guard against ifcond/comment misuse John Snow
2021-02-03 14:08   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 20:42     ` John Snow
2021-02-03 21:18       ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-02-04 15:06       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 05/14] qapi/introspect.py: Unify return type of _make_tree() John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 06/14] qapi/introspect.py: replace 'extra' dict with 'comment' argument John Snow
2021-02-03 14:23   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 21:21     ` John Snow
2021-02-04  8:37       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 07/14] qapi/introspect.py: Introduce preliminary tree typing John Snow
2021-02-03 14:30   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 21:40     ` John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 08/14] qapi/introspect.py: create a typed 'Annotated' data strutcure John Snow
2021-02-03 14:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 21:50     ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-02-04 15:37       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-04 16:20         ` John Snow [this message]
2021-02-04 16:28         ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-02-05  8:45           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 23:12     ` John Snow
2021-02-05  9:10       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 09/14] qapi/introspect.py: improve _tree_to_qlit error message John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 10/14] qapi/introspect.py: improve readability of _tree_to_qlit John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 11/14] qapi/introspect.py: add type hint annotations John Snow
2021-02-03 15:15   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 23:27     ` John Snow
2021-02-05 13:42       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-08 21:39         ` John Snow
2021-02-08 21:53           ` John Snow
2021-02-09  9:06           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-10 17:31             ` John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 12/14] qapi/introspect.py: add introspect.json dummy types John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 13/14] qapi/introspect.py: Add docstring to _tree_to_qlit John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 14/14] qapi/introspect.py: Update copyright and authors list John Snow

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