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From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	Cleber Rosa <crosa@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 11/14] qapi/introspect.py: add type hint annotations
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 18:27:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ee95f545-7c43-0587-642b-e70589b4a0e6@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r1lxqj2e.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On 2/3/21 10:15 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> writes:
> 
>> Signed-off-by: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
>> ---
>>   scripts/qapi/introspect.py | 115 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------
>>   scripts/qapi/mypy.ini      |   5 --
>>   scripts/qapi/schema.py     |   2 +-
>>   3 files changed, 82 insertions(+), 40 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/scripts/qapi/introspect.py b/scripts/qapi/introspect.py
>> index 60ec326d2c7..b7f2a6cf260 100644
>> --- a/scripts/qapi/introspect.py
>> +++ b/scripts/qapi/introspect.py
>> @@ -30,10 +30,19 @@
>>   )
>>   from .gen import QAPISchemaMonolithicCVisitor
>>   from .schema import (
>> +    QAPISchema,
>>       QAPISchemaArrayType,
>>       QAPISchemaBuiltinType,
>> +    QAPISchemaEntity,
>> +    QAPISchemaEnumMember,
>> +    QAPISchemaFeature,
>> +    QAPISchemaObjectType,
>> +    QAPISchemaObjectTypeMember,
>>       QAPISchemaType,
>> +    QAPISchemaVariant,
>> +    QAPISchemaVariants,
>>   )
>> +from .source import QAPISourceInfo
>>   
>>   
>>   # This module constructs a tree data structure that is used to
>> @@ -57,6 +66,8 @@
>     # generate the introspection information for QEMU. It behaves similarly
>     # to a JSON value.
>     #
>     # A complexity over JSON is that our values may or may not be annotated.
>     #
>     # Un-annotated values may be:
>     #     Scalar: str, bool, None.
>     #     Non-scalar: List, Dict
>     # _value = Union[str, bool, None, Dict[str, TreeValue], List[TreeValue]]
>     #
>     # With optional annotations, the type of all values is:
>     # TreeValue = Union[_value, Annotated[_value]]
>     #
>     # Sadly, mypy does not support recursive types, so we must approximate this.
>     _stub = Any
>     _scalar = Union[str, bool, None]
>     _nonscalar = Union[Dict[str, _stub], List[_stub]]
>>   _value = Union[_scalar, _nonscalar]
>>   TreeValue = Union[_value, 'Annotated[_value]']
>>   
>> +# This is a (strict) alias for an arbitrary object non-scalar, as above:
>> +_DObject = Dict[str, object]
> 
> Sounds greek :)
> 

Admittedly it is still not explained well ... until the next patch. I'm 
going to leave it alone for now until you have a chance to respond to 
these walls of text.

> It's almost the Dict part of _nonscalar, but not quite: object vs. Any.
> 
> I naively expect something closer to
> 
>     _scalar = ...
>     _object = Dict[str, _stub]
>     _nonscalar = Union[_object, List[_stub]
> 
> and (still naively) expect _object to be good enough to serve as type
> annotation for dicts representing JSON objects.

"_object" would be good, except ... I am trying to avoid using that word 
because what does it mean? Python object? JSON object? Here at the 
boundary between two worlds, nothing makes sense.

(See patch 12/14 for A More Betterer Understanding of what _DObject is 
used for. It will contribute to A Greater Understanding.)

Anyway, to your questions;

(1) _DObject was my shorthand garbage way of saying "This is a Python 
Dict that represents a JSON object". Hence Dict-Object, "DObject". I 
have also derisively called this a "dictly-typed" object at times.

(2) Dict[str, Any] and Dict[str, object] are similar, but do have a 
semantic difference. I alluded to it by calling this a "(strict) alias"; 
which does not help you understand any of the following points:

Whenever you use "Any", it basically turns off type-checking at that 
boundary; it is the gradually typed boundary type. Avoid it whenever 
reasonably possible.

Example time:


def foo(thing: Any) -> None:
     print(thing.value)  # Sure, I guess! We'll believe you.


def foo(thing: object) -> None:
     print(thing.value)  # BZZT, Python object has no value prop.


Use "Any" when you really just cannot constrain the type, because you're 
out of bourbon or you've decided to give in to the darkness inside your 
heart.

Use "object" when the type of the value actually doesn't matter, because 
you are only passing it on to something else later that will do its own 
type analysis or introspection on the object.

For introspect.py, 'object' is actually a really good type when we can 
use it, because we interrogate the type exhaustively upon receipt in 
_tree_to_qlit.


That leaves one question you would almost assuredly ask as a followup:

"Why didn't you use object for the stub type to begin with?"

Let's say we define _stub as `object` instead, the Python object. When 
_tree_to_qlit recurses on non-scalar structures, the held value there is 
only known as "object" and not as str/bool/None, which causes a typing 
error at that point.

Moving the stub to "Any" tells mypy to ... not worry about what type we 
actually passed here. I gave in to the darkness in my heart. It's just 
too annoying without real recursion.

--js



  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-03 23:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-02 17:46 [PATCH v4 00/14] qapi: static typing conversion, pt2 John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 01/14] qapi/introspect.py: assert schema is not None John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 02/14] qapi/introspect.py: use _make_tree for features nodes John Snow
2021-02-03 13:49   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 03/14] qapi/introspect.py: add _gen_features helper John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 04/14] qapi/introspect.py: guard against ifcond/comment misuse John Snow
2021-02-03 14:08   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 20:42     ` John Snow
2021-02-03 21:18       ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-02-04 15:06       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 05/14] qapi/introspect.py: Unify return type of _make_tree() John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 06/14] qapi/introspect.py: replace 'extra' dict with 'comment' argument John Snow
2021-02-03 14:23   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 21:21     ` John Snow
2021-02-04  8:37       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 07/14] qapi/introspect.py: Introduce preliminary tree typing John Snow
2021-02-03 14:30   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 21:40     ` John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 08/14] qapi/introspect.py: create a typed 'Annotated' data strutcure John Snow
2021-02-03 14:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 21:50     ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-02-04 15:37       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-04 16:20         ` John Snow
2021-02-04 16:28         ` Eduardo Habkost
2021-02-05  8:45           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 23:12     ` John Snow
2021-02-05  9:10       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 09/14] qapi/introspect.py: improve _tree_to_qlit error message John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 10/14] qapi/introspect.py: improve readability of _tree_to_qlit John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 11/14] qapi/introspect.py: add type hint annotations John Snow
2021-02-03 15:15   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-03 23:27     ` John Snow [this message]
2021-02-05 13:42       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-08 21:39         ` John Snow
2021-02-08 21:53           ` John Snow
2021-02-09  9:06           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-02-10 17:31             ` John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 12/14] qapi/introspect.py: add introspect.json dummy types John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 13/14] qapi/introspect.py: Add docstring to _tree_to_qlit John Snow
2021-02-02 17:46 ` [PATCH v4 14/14] qapi/introspect.py: Update copyright and authors list John Snow

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