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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
Cc: "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>, "Fam Zheng" <fam@euphon.net>,
	"Daniel P.Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Max Reitz" <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] RFC: luks/encrypted qcow2 key management
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 13:31:24 +0200
Message-ID: <871rxelppv.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ba8e9afd066d65099a897b5c515a73ab2c64625d.camel@redhat.com>

Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com> writes:

> On Thu, 2019-08-15 at 10:00 -0500, Eric Blake wrote:
>> On 8/15/19 9:44 AM, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
>> 
>> > > > > Does the idea of a union type with a default value for the discriminator
>> > > > > help?  Maybe we have a discriminator which defaults to 'auto', and add a
>> > > > > union branch 'auto':'any'.  During creation, if the "driver":"auto"
>> > > > > branch is selected (usually implicitly by omitting "driver", but also
>> > > > > possible explicitly), the creation attempt is rejected as invalid
>> > > > > regardless of the contents of the remaining 'any'.  But during amend
>> > > > > usage, if the 'auto' branch is selected, we then add in the proper
>> > > > > "driver":"xyz" and reparse the QAPI object to determine if the remaining
>> > > > > fields in 'any' still meet the specification for the required driver branch.
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > This idea may still require some tweaks to the QAPI generator, but it's
>> > > > > the best I can come up with for a way to parse an arbitrary JSON object
>> > > > > with unknown validation, then reparse it again after adding more
>> > > > > information that would constrain the parse differently.
>> > > > 
>> > > > Feels like this would be a lot of code just to allow the client to omit
>> > > > passing a value that it knows anyway. If this were a human interface, I
>> > > > could understand the desire to make commands less verbose, but for QMP I
>> > > > honestly don't see the point when it's not trivial.
>> > > 
>> > > Seconded.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > But what about my suggestion of adding something like:
>> > 
>> > { 'union': 'BlockdevAmendOptions',
>> > 
>> >   'base': {
>> >       'node-name':         'str' },
>> > 
>> >   'discriminator': { 'get_block_driver(node-name)' } ,
>> 
>> Not worth it. It makes the QAPI generator more complex (to invoke
>> arbitrary code instead of a fixed name) just to avoid a little bit of
>> complexity in the caller (which is assumed to be a computer, and thus
>> shouldn't have a hard time providing a sane 'driver' unconditionally).
>> An HMP wrapper around the QMP command can do whatever magic it needs to
>> omit driver, but making driver mandatory for QMP is just fine.
>
> All right! I kind of not agree with that, since I think even though QMP is a machine language,
> it still should be consistent since humans still use it, even if this is humans that code some
> tool that use it.
>
> I won't argue with you though, let it be like that.

Software's fundamental limit is complexity.  We need to pick what we use
it for.  Sometimes, that means saying no to things that would be nice to
have.


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Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-14 20:22 Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] block-crypto: misc refactoring Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-20 16:38   ` Max Reitz
2019-08-22  0:05     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 14:34       ` Max Reitz
2019-08-22 15:04         ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-21 15:39   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-22  0:08     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] qcrypto-luks: " Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-15 21:40   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " John Snow
2019-08-19 14:21     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 10:29     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-22 11:04       ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 11:10         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-22 11:13           ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-20 17:36   ` [Qemu-devel] " Max Reitz
2019-08-21 23:59     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 14:32       ` Max Reitz
2019-08-25 10:46         ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] qcrypto-luks: refactoring: extract load/store/check/parse header functions Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-20 18:01   ` Max Reitz
2019-08-21 22:43     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 10:32       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-22 10:57         ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 10:34       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-25 14:11         ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 10:38   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-25 14:09     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] qcrypto-luks: refactoring: simplify the math used for keyslot locations Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 10:47   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-25 14:30     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] qcrypto-luks: clear the masterkey and password before freeing them always Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-20 18:12   ` Max Reitz
2019-08-21 22:40     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 10:49     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-22 10:56       ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-25 15:31         ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-25 17:15           ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-27  8:55           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-21 23:01   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Nir Soffer
2019-08-21 23:11     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] qcrypto-luks: implement more rigorous header checking Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 11:04   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-25 15:40     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-25 16:08       ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-26 13:31         ` Eric Blake
2019-08-26 13:39           ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-27  8:56         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] block: add manage-encryption command (qmp and blockdev) Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-20 18:27   ` Max Reitz
2019-08-21 22:32     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 11:14     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-21 11:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-08-21 22:24     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 14:07       ` Markus Armbruster
2019-08-25 16:42         ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] qcrypto: add the plumbing for encryption management Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 11:16   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-22 11:47     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 11:49       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] qcrypto-luks: implement the encryption key management Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 11:27   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-25 17:01     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] block/crypto: " Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 11:29   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-22 11:36     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] block/qcow2: implement the encryption key managment Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] qemu-img: implement key management Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-20 18:29   ` Max Reitz
2019-08-21 22:33     ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 11:32     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-22 14:42       ` Max Reitz
2019-08-25 17:04         ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] iotests : add tests for encryption " Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-14 21:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] RFC: luks/encrypted qcow2 " Eric Blake
2019-08-15  8:49   ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-15  9:10   ` Kevin Wolf
2019-08-15 14:18     ` Markus Armbruster
2019-08-15 14:44       ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-15 15:00         ` Eric Blake
2019-08-19 12:35           ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-21 11:31             ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2019-08-21 13:22               ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-20 17:59 ` Max Reitz
2019-08-21 22:00   ` Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-22 11:35 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-08-25 17:10   ` Maxim Levitsky

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