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From: Felipe Franciosi <felipe@nutanix.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Elena Ufimtseva" <elena.ufimtseva@oracle.com>,
	"fam@euphon.net" <fam@euphon.net>,
	"Swapnil Ingle" <swapnil.ingle@nutanix.com>,
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	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC v4 PATCH 00/49] Initial support of multi-process qemu - status update
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:14:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9540FF2A-FC7E-40AE-9259-46EF431ED65F@nutanix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bfaf0b42-513c-08f2-2d4f-d99437b7041d@redhat.com>



> On Dec 20, 2019, at 9:50 AM, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On 20/12/19 10:47, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>> If it doesn't create too large of a burden to support both, then I think
>>> it is very desirable. IIUC, this is saying a kernel based solution as the
>>> optimized/optimal solution, and userspace UNIX socket based option as the
>>> generic "works everywhere" fallback solution.
>> I'm slightly in favor of the kernel implementation because it keeps us
>> better aligned with VFIO.  That means solving problems in one place only
>> and less reinventing the wheel.
> 
> I think there are anyway going to be some differences with VFIO.
> 
> For example, currently VFIO requires pinning user memory.  Is that a
> limitation for muser too?  If so, that would be a big disadvantage; if
> not, however, management tools need to learn that muser devices unlike
> other VFIO devices do not prevent overcommit.

More or less. We pin them today, but I think we don't really have to.
I created an issue to look into it:
https://github.com/nutanix/muser/issues/28

In any case, if Qemu is ballooning and calls UNMAP_DMA for memory that
has been ballooned out, then we would release it.

The reason we keep it pinned is to support libmuser restarts. IIRC,
VFIO doesn't need to pin pages for mdev devices (that's the job of the
mdev driver on the other end via vfio_pin_pages()). It only keeps the
DMA entries in a RB tree.

If my understanding is right, then we can probably just keep the map
Qemu registered (without holding the pages) and call vfio_pin_pages()
on demand when libmuser restarts.

For context, this is how the DMA memory registration works today:

1) Qemu calls ioctl(vfio_fd, IOMMU_MAP_DMA, &vm_map);

2) The iommu driver notifies muser.ko

3) Muser.ko pins the pages (in get_dma_map(), called from below)
(https://github.com/nutanix/muser/blob/master/kmod/muser.c#L711)

4) Muser.ko notifies libmuser about the memory registration
(The iommu driver context goes to sleep, hence the pinning)

5) Libmuser wakes up and calls mmap() on muser.ko

6) Muser.ko inserts the VM memory in libmuser's context
(https://github.com/nutanix/muser/blob/master/kmod/muser.c#L543)

7) Libmuser tells muser.ko that it's done

8) Muser.ko iommu callback context that was sleeping wakes up

9) Muser.ko places the memory in a "dma_list" for the mudev and returns.

We could potentially modify the last step to unpin and keep only what
we need for a future call to vfio_pin_pages(), but I need to check if
that works.

Cheers,
Felipe

> 
> Paolo
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-20 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-24  9:08 [RFC v4 PATCH 00/49] Initial support of multi-process qemu Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 01/49] multi-process: memory: alloc RAM from file at offset Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 02/49] multi-process: util: Add qemu_thread_cancel() to cancel running thread Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-13 15:30   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-13 15:38     ` Jag Raman
2019-11-13 15:51       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-11-13 16:04         ` Jag Raman
2019-11-13 16:35           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 03/49] multi-process: add a command line option for debug file Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-13 15:35   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 04/49] multi-process: Add stub functions to facilate build of multi-process Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 05/49] multi-process: Add config option for multi-process QEMU Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 06/49] multi-process: build system for remote device process Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 07/49] multi-process: define mpqemu-link object Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-11 16:41   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-13 15:47     ` Jag Raman
2019-11-13 15:53   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-18 15:26     ` Jag Raman
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 08/49] multi-process: add functions to synchronize proxy and remote endpoints Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 09/49] multi-process: setup PCI host bridge for remote device Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-13 16:07   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-18 15:25     ` Jag Raman
2019-11-21 10:37       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 10/49] multi-process: setup a machine object for remote device process Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-13 16:22   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-18 15:29     ` Jag Raman
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 11/49] multi-process: setup memory manager for remote device Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-13 16:33   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-13 16:34     ` Jag Raman
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 12/49] multi-process: remote process initialization Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-13 16:38   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 13/49] multi-process: introduce proxy object Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-21 11:09   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 14/49] mutli-process: build remote command line args Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-21 11:23   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 15/49] multi-process: PCI BAR read/write handling for proxy & remote endpoints Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-21 11:33   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 16/49] multi-process: Add LSI device proxy object Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-21 11:35   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 17/49] multi-process: Synchronize remote memory Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-21 11:44   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 18/49] multi-process: create IOHUB object to handle irq Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-21 12:02   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 19/49] multi-process: configure remote side devices Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-21 12:05   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 20/49] multi-process: add qdev_proxy_add to create proxy devices Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-21 12:16   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 21/49] multi-process: remote: add setup_devices and setup_drive msg processing Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 22/49] multi-process: remote: use fd for socket from parent process Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 23/49] multi-process: remote: add create_done condition Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 24/49] multi-process: add processing of remote drive and device command line Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 25/49] multi-process: Introduce build flags to separate remote process code Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 26/49] multi-process: refractor vl.c code to re-use in remote Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 27/49] multi-process: add remote option Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 28/49] multi-process: add remote options parser Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 29/49] multi-process: add parse_cmdline in remote process Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 30/49] multi-process: send heartbeat messages to remote Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-11 16:27   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-13 16:01     ` Jag Raman
2019-11-21 12:19       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 31/49] multi-process: handle heartbeat messages in remote process Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 32/49] multi-process: Use separate MMIO communication channel Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-11 16:21   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-13 16:14     ` Jag Raman
2019-11-21 12:31       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 33/49] multi-process: perform device reset in the remote process Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-11 16:19   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-13 16:15     ` Jag Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 34/49] multi-process/mon: choose HMP commands based on target Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 35/49] multi-process/mon: stub functions to enable QMP module for remote process Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 36/49] multi-process/mon: enable QMP module support in the " Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 37/49] multi-process/mon: Refactor monitor/chardev functions out of vl.c Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 38/49] multi-process/mon: Initialize QMP module for remote processes Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 39/49] multi-process: prevent duplicate memory initialization in remote Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 40/49] multi-process/mig: build migration module in the remote process Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 41/49] multi-process/mig: Enable VMSD save in the Proxy object Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-13 15:50   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-11-13 16:32     ` Jag Raman
2019-11-13 17:11       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-11-18 15:42         ` Jag Raman
2019-11-22 10:34           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 42/49] multi-process/mig: Send VMSD of remote to " Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 43/49] multi-process/mig: Load VMSD in the proxy object Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 44/49] multi-process/mig: refactor runstate_check into common file Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 45/49] multi-process/mig: Synchronize runstate of remote process Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-11 16:17   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-13 16:33     ` Jag Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 46/49] multi-process/mig: Restore the VMSD in " Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 47/49] multi-process: Enable support for multiple devices in remote Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-11 16:15   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-13 16:21     ` Jag Raman
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 48/49] multi-process: add the concept description to docs/devel/qemu-multiprocess Jagannathan Raman
2019-10-25 19:33   ` Elena Ufimtseva
2019-11-07 15:50   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-11 15:41   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-24  9:09 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 49/49] multi-process: add configure and usage information Jagannathan Raman
2019-11-07 14:02   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-07 14:33     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-11-08 11:17       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-08 11:32         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-11-07 14:39     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-11-07 15:53       ` Jag Raman
2019-11-08 11:14         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-10-25  2:08 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 00/49] Initial support of multi-process qemu no-reply
2019-10-25  2:08 ` no-reply
2019-10-25  2:10 ` no-reply
2019-11-21 12:46 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-12-10  6:47 ` [RFC v4 PATCH 00/49] Initial support of multi-process qemu - status update Elena Ufimtseva
2019-12-13 10:41   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-12-16 19:46     ` Elena Ufimtseva
2019-12-16 19:57       ` Felipe Franciosi
2019-12-17 16:33         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-12-17 22:57           ` Felipe Franciosi
2019-12-18  0:00             ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-19 13:36               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-12-20 17:15                 ` John G Johnson
2020-01-02 10:00                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-01-02 10:04                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-12-19 11:55             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-12-19 12:33               ` Felipe Franciosi
2019-12-19 12:55                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-12-20  9:47                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-12-20  9:50                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2019-12-20 14:14                       ` Felipe Franciosi [this message]
2019-12-20 15:25                         ` Alex Williamson
2019-12-20 16:00                           ` Felipe Franciosi
2020-02-25  9:16                           ` Thanos Makatos
2019-12-20 10:22                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-02 10:42                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-01-02 11:03                         ` Felipe Franciosi
2020-01-02 18:55                           ` Marc-André Lureau
2020-01-08 16:31                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-01-03 15:59                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-01-14  1:56                             ` John G Johnson
2020-01-17 17:25                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-12-19 16:40                 ` Jag Raman
2019-12-19 12:50             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-12-19 16:46               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-01-02 16:01           ` Elena Ufimtseva
2020-01-03 15:00             ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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