Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] virtiofsd: probe unshare(CLONE_FS) and print an error

[Daniel Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>]

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On 7/29/20 10:40, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 09:59:01AM +0200, Roman Mohr wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:13 PM Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 12:00:20PM +0200, Roman Mohr wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:07 AM misono.tomohiro@fujitsu.com <
>>>> misono.tomohiro@fujitsu.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: [PATCH v2 3/3] virtiofsd: probe unshare(CLONE_FS) and print
>>> an
>>>>> error
>> Yes they can run as root. I can tell you what we plan to do with the
>> containerized virtiofsd: We run it as part of the user-owned pod (a set of
>> containers).
>> One of our main goals at the moment is to run VMs in a user-owned pod
>> without additional privileges.
>> So that in case the user (VM-creator/owner) enters the pod or something
>> breaks out of the VM they are just in the unprivileged container sandbox.
>> As part of that we try to get also rid of running containers in the
>> user-context with the root user.
>>
>> One possible scenario which I could think of as being desirable from a
>> kubevirt perspective:
>> We would run the VM in one container and have an unprivileged
>> virtiofsd container in parallel.
>> This container already has its own mount namespace and it is not that
>> critical if something manages to enter this sandbox.
>>
>> But we are not as far yet as getting completely rid of root right now in
>> kubevirt, so if as a temporary step it needs root, the current proposed
>> changes would still be very useful for us.
> What is the issue with root in user namespaces?
>
> I remember a few years ago it was seen as a major security issue but
> don't remember if container runtimes were already using user namespaces
> back then.
>
> I guess the goal might be simply to minimize Linux capabilities as much
> as possible?
>
> virtiofsd could nominally run with an arbitrary uid/gid but it still
> needs the Linux capabilities that allow it to change uid/gid and
> override file system permission checks just like the root user. Not sure
> if there is any advantage to running with uid 1000 when you still have
> these Linux capabilities.
>
> Stefan

When you run in a user namespace, virtiofsd would only have
setuid/setgid over the range of UIDs mapped into the user namespace.  So
if UID=0 on the host is not mapped, then the container can not create
real UID=0 files on disk.

Similarly you can protect the user directories and any content by
running the containers in a really high UID Mapping.



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