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From: Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@lge.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>,
	Byungchul Park <max.byungchul.park@gmail.com>,
	rcu <rcu@vger.kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-team@lge.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rcu: Make jiffies_till_sched_qs writable
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:10:11 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190719011011.GC28226@X58A-UD3R> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEXW_YQij-N2-NFjUQtsmYxVLtWxcQk_Kb16fGBzzPAZtWg+sg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 08:52:52PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:40 PM Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@lge.com> wrote:
> [snip]
> > > - There is a bug in the CPU stopper machinery itself preventing it
> > > from scheduling the stopper on Y. Even though Y is not holding up the
> > > grace period.
> >
> > Or any thread on Y is busy with preemption/irq disabled preventing the
> > stopper from being scheduled on Y.
> >
> > Or something is stuck in ttwu() to wake up the stopper on Y due to any
> > scheduler locks such as pi_lock or rq->lock or something.
> >
> > I think what you mentioned can happen easily.
> >
> > Basically we would need information about preemption/irq disabled
> > sections on Y and scheduler's current activity on every cpu at that time.
> 
> I think all that's needed is an NMI backtrace on all CPUs. An ARM we
> don't have NMI solutions and only IPI or interrupt based backtrace
> works which should at least catch and the preempt disable and softirq
> disable cases.
> 
> But yeah I don't see why just the stacks of those CPUs that are
> blocking the CPU X would not suffice for the trivial cases where a
> piece of misbehaving code disable interrupts / preemption and
> prevented the stopper thread from executing.

Right. So it makes more interesting tho! :-)

> May be once the test case is ready (no rush!) , then it will be more
> clear what can help.

Yes. I'm really happy to help things about RCU that I love, fixed or
improved. And with the the test case or a real issue, I believe I can do
more helpful work. Looking forward to it, too (no rush!).

Thanks,
Byungchul


  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-19  1:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-08  6:00 [PATCH] rcu: Make jiffies_till_sched_qs writable Byungchul Park
2019-07-08 12:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-08 13:03   ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-08 13:19     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-08 14:15       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-09  6:05       ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-09 12:43         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-09  5:58     ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-09  6:45       ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-09 12:41       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-10  1:20         ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-11 12:30           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-11 13:08             ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-11 15:02               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-11 16:48                 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-11 19:58                   ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-12  6:32                     ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-12 12:51                       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-12 13:02                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-12 13:43                           ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-12 14:53                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-13  8:47                         ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-13 14:20                           ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-13 15:13                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-13 15:42                               ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-13 17:41                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-14 13:39                                   ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-14 13:56                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-15 17:39                                       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-15 20:09                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-18 16:14                                   ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-18 16:15                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-18 21:34                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-19  0:48                                       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-19  0:54                                       ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-19  0:39                                     ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-19  0:52                                       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-19  1:10                                         ` Byungchul Park [this message]
2019-07-19  7:43                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-19  9:57                                           ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-19 19:57                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-19 20:33                                               ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-23 11:05                                                 ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-23 13:47                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-23 16:54                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-24  7:58                                                       ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-24  7:59                                                     ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-12 13:01                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-07-12 13:40                       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-07-12  6:00                 ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-12  5:52               ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-12  5:48             ` Byungchul Park
2019-07-13  9:08               ` Byungchul Park

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