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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Heng Qi <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Yuri Benditovich <yuri.benditovich@daynix.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	ailan@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9] virtio-net: support inner header hash
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2023 03:04:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230224030306-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <73668f4f-2a69-d132-51a1-d1a160c0ee08@linux.alibaba.com>

On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 12:42:40PM +0800, Heng Qi wrote:
> 
> 
> 在 2023/2/23 下午9:13, Michael S. Tsirkin 写道:
> > On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 10:37:15PM +0800, Heng Qi wrote:
> > > +\subparagraph{Security risks between encapsulated packets and RSS}
> > > +There may be potential security risks when encapsulated packets using RSS to
> > > +select queues for placement.
> > Is this just with RSS? I assume hash calculation is also used for
> > something like queueing so there's a similar risk even just
> > with hash reporting, no?
> 
> I don't understand why it would be risky to just report hash when not used
> for queuing,
> and even we don't report whether hash come from inner or outer now because
> there is no more hash_report_tunnel.

Well what is the hash used for? Presumably it's used for queueing within
driver, no? Collisions there then have exactly the same effect as queue
collisions in the device.

> > 
> > > When a user inside a tunnel tries to control the
> > > +enqueuing of encapsulated packets, then the user can flood the device with invaild
> > > +packets, and the flooded packets may be hashed into the same queue as packets in
> > > +other normal tunnels, which causing the queue to overflow.
> > > +
> > > +This can pose several security risks:
> > > +\begin{itemize}
> > > +\item  Encapsulated packets in the normal tunnels cannot be enqueued due to queue
> > > +       overflow, resulting in a large amount of packet loss.
> > > +\item  The delay and retransmission of packets in the normal tunnels are extremely increased.
> > > +\item  The user can observe the traffic information and enqueue information of other normal
> > > +       tunnels, and conduct targeted DoS attacks.
> > > +\end{\itemize}
> > > +
> > 
> > So for RSS specifically, we brain-stormed with Amnon (Cc'd) and came
> > up with an idea: RSS indirection table entries are 16 bit but
> > onlu 15 bits are used to indentify an RX queue.
> > We can use the remaining bit as a "tunnel bit" to signal whether to use the
> > inner or the outer hash for queue selection.
> > 
> > The lookup will work like this then:
> > 
> > calculate outer hash
> > if (rss[outer hash] & tunnel bit)
> 
> How a tunnel bit distinguishes between multiple tunnel types, and I think it
> is not so reasonable to use the
> indirection table to determine the switch of the inner hash. The inner hash
> is only the ability to calculate the hash,
> and does not involve the indirection table.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> > then
> > 	calculate inner hash
> > 	return rss[inner hash] & ~tunnel bit
> > else
> > 	return rss[outer hash]
> > 
> > 
> > this fixes the security issue returning us back to
> > status quo : specific tunnels can be directed to separate queues.
> > 
> > 
> > This is for RSS.
> > 
> > 
> > For hash reporting indirection table is not used.
> > Maybe it is enough to signal to driver that inner hash was used.
> > We do need that signalling though.
> > 
> > My question would be whether it's practical to implement in hardware.
> > 


  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-24  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-18 14:37 [PATCH v9] virtio-net: support inner header hash Heng Qi
2023-02-20 15:53 ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-20 16:12   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-21  4:20 ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-21  6:14   ` [virtio-comment] " Heng Qi
2023-02-21 12:47     ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-21 13:34       ` Heng Qi
2023-02-21 15:32         ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-21 16:44           ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-21 16:50             ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-21 17:13               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-21 17:40                 ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-02-21 17:44                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-21 17:54                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-21 17:17               ` [virtio-comment] " Heng Qi
2023-02-21 17:39                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-21 13:37       ` Heng Qi
2023-02-21 17:05   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-21 19:29     ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-21 21:23       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-21 21:36         ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-21 21:46           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-21 22:32             ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-21 23:18               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-22  1:41                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-22  2:51                 ` [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-22  2:34       ` [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-22  6:21         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-22  7:03           ` Heng Qi
2023-02-22 11:29             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-21 17:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-22  3:22   ` Jason Wang
2023-02-22  6:46     ` Heng Qi
2023-02-22 11:30       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-23  2:50       ` Jason Wang
2023-02-23  4:41         ` [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-24  2:45           ` Jason Wang
2023-02-24  4:47             ` [virtio-comment] " Heng Qi
2023-02-24  8:07             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-23 13:03         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-24  2:26           ` Jason Wang
2023-02-24  8:06             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-27  4:07               ` Jason Wang
2023-02-27  7:39                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-27  8:35                   ` Jason Wang
2023-02-27 12:38                     ` Heng Qi
2023-02-27 17:49                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28  3:04                       ` Jason Wang
2023-02-28  8:52                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28  9:56                           ` [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-28 11:04                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-01  2:36                           ` Jason Wang
2023-02-23 13:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-23 14:40   ` [virtio-comment] " Parav Pandit
2023-02-24  8:13     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-24 14:38       ` [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-02-24 17:10         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-27  0:29       ` Parav Pandit
2023-02-24  4:42   ` Heng Qi
2023-02-24  8:04     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2023-02-28 11:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-01  2:56   ` [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-03-08 14:39     ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-09  4:55       ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-03-09 19:36         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-11  3:23           ` Heng Qi
2023-03-15 11:58             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-15 12:55               ` Heng Qi
2023-03-15 14:57                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-16 13:17                   ` Heng Qi
2023-03-20 19:45                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 12:10                       ` Heng Qi
2023-03-20 19:48                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-30 12:37                   ` Heng Qi
2023-04-08 10:29                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-04-10 13:26                       ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi
2023-03-01  3:30   ` [virtio-comment] " Heng Qi
2023-03-09 12:28   ` [virtio-comment] Re: [virtio-dev] " Heng Qi

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