xen-devel.lists.xenproject.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
To: "Michał Leszczyński" <michal.leszczynski@cert.pl>
Cc: Julien Grall <julien@xen.org>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"Kang, Luwei" <luwei.kang@intel.com>,
	"Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>, Wei Liu <wl@xen.org>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	George Dunlap <george.dunlap@citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	Tamas K Lengyel <tamas.k.lengyel@gmail.com>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/7] Implement support for external IPT monitoring
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:00:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200618070035.GD735@Air-de-Roger> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1683804232.9278740.1592441777496.JavaMail.zimbra@cert.pl>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 02:56:17AM +0200, Michał Leszczyński wrote:
> ----- 18 cze 2020 o 1:29, Kang, Luwei luwei.kang@intel.com napisał(a):
> 
> >> > > How does KVM deal with this, do they insert/modify trace packets on
> >> > > trapped and emulated instructions by the VMM?
> >> >
> >> > The KVM includes instruction decoder and
> >> emulator(arch/x86/kvm/emulate.c), and the guest's memory can be set to
> >> write-protect as well. But it doesn't support Intel PT packets software
> >> emulator.
> >> For KVM, the Intel PT feature will be exposed to KVM guest and KVM guest can
> >> use Intel PT feature like native.
> >> 
> >> But if such feature is exposed to the guest for it's own usage, won't it be
> >> missing packets for instructions emulated by the VMM?
> > 
> > If setting the guest's memory write-protect, I think yes.
> 
> 
> Thus, I propose to leave it as it is right now. If somebody is purposely altering the VM state then he/she should consult not only the IPT but also understand what was done "in the meantime" by additional features, e.g. when something was altered by vm_event callback. As Tamas said previously, we usually just want to see certain path leading to vmexit.
> 
> Please also note that there is a PTWRITE instruction that could be used in the future in order to add custom payloads/hints to the PT trace, when needed.

Yes, I think the usage of IPT by a third party against a guest is
fine, as such third party can also use introspection and get the
information about the emulated instructions.

OTOH exposing the feature to the guest itself for it's own usage seems
wrong without adding the packets related to the instructions emulated.

I understand the current series only cares about the first option, so
that's perfectly fine.

Roger.


      reply	other threads:[~2020-06-18  7:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-16 15:16 [PATCH v1 0/7] Implement support for external IPT monitoring Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-16 15:19 ` [PATCH v1 1/7] x86/vmx: add Intel PT MSR definitions Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18 13:31   ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-16 15:20 ` [PATCH v1 2/7] x86/vmx: add IPT cpu feature Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-16 16:30   ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-17 11:34     ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-16 15:21 ` [PATCH v1 3/7] x86/vmx: add ipt_state as part of vCPU state Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-16 16:33   ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-16 15:22 ` [PATCH v1 4/7] x86/vmx: add do_vmtrace_op Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-16 17:23   ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-17 19:13     ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18  3:20       ` Tamas K Lengyel
2020-06-18 11:01         ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18 11:55           ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-18 12:51             ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-18 13:09               ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18 13:24                 ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-18 13:40                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-18  8:46       ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-18 15:25     ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18 15:39       ` Jan Beulich
2020-06-18 15:47         ` Tamas K Lengyel
2020-06-18 15:49           ` Tamas K Lengyel
2020-06-16 15:22 ` [PATCH v1 5/7] tools/libxc: add xc_ptbuf_* functions Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-16 15:23 ` [PATCH v1 6/7] tools/proctrace: add proctrace tool Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-16 15:24 ` [PATCH v1 7/7] x86/vmx: switch IPT MSRs on vmentry/vmexit Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-16 17:38   ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-16 17:47     ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-17  9:09       ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-17 11:54         ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-17 12:51           ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-17 15:14             ` Andrew Cooper
2020-06-17 18:56               ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18  8:52                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-18 11:07                   ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18 11:49                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-17 23:30               ` Kang, Luwei
2020-06-18 10:02                 ` Andrew Cooper
2020-06-18 17:38   ` Andrew Cooper
2020-06-16 18:17 ` [PATCH v1 0/7] Implement support for external IPT monitoring Andrew Cooper
2020-06-16 18:47   ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-16 20:16     ` Andrew Cooper
2020-06-17  3:02       ` Tamas K Lengyel
2020-06-17 16:19         ` Andrew Cooper
2020-06-17 16:27           ` Tamas K Lengyel
2020-06-17 17:23             ` Andrew Cooper
2020-06-17 19:31               ` Tamas K Lengyel
2020-06-17 19:30             ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-17 20:20           ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18  8:25             ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-18 14:59           ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-17  1:35     ` Tian, Kevin
2020-06-17  6:45       ` Kang, Luwei
2020-06-17  9:21         ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-17 12:37           ` Kang, Luwei
2020-06-17 12:53             ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-06-17 23:29               ` Kang, Luwei
2020-06-18  0:56                 ` Michał Leszczyński
2020-06-18  7:00                   ` Roger Pau Monné [this message]

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20200618070035.GD735@Air-de-Roger \
    --to=roger.pau@citrix.com \
    --cc=andrew.cooper3@citrix.com \
    --cc=george.dunlap@citrix.com \
    --cc=ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com \
    --cc=jbeulich@suse.com \
    --cc=julien@xen.org \
    --cc=jun.nakajima@intel.com \
    --cc=kevin.tian@intel.com \
    --cc=luwei.kang@intel.com \
    --cc=michal.leszczynski@cert.pl \
    --cc=sstabellini@kernel.org \
    --cc=tamas.k.lengyel@gmail.com \
    --cc=wl@xen.org \
    --cc=xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).