From: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>
Subject: Re: [for-4.9] Re: HVM guest performance regression
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 16:57:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41b3b844-9ab6-be69-b7ea-df9073ecba26@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <592D68DC020000780015D919@suse.com>
On 30/05/17 12:43, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 30.05.17 at 12:33, <jgross@suse.com> wrote:
>> On 30/05/17 09:24, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>> On 29.05.17 at 21:05, <jgross@suse.com> wrote:
>>>> Creating the domains with
>>>>
>>>> xl -vvv create ...
>>>>
>>>> showed the numbers of superpages and normal pages allocated for the
>>>> domain.
>>>>
>>>> The following allocation pattern resulted in a slow domain:
>>>>
>>>> xc: detail: PHYSICAL MEMORY ALLOCATION:
>>>> xc: detail: 4KB PAGES: 0x0000000000000600
>>>> xc: detail: 2MB PAGES: 0x00000000000003f9
>>>> xc: detail: 1GB PAGES: 0x0000000000000000
>>>>
>>>> And this one was fast:
>>>>
>>>> xc: detail: PHYSICAL MEMORY ALLOCATION:
>>>> xc: detail: 4KB PAGES: 0x0000000000000400
>>>> xc: detail: 2MB PAGES: 0x00000000000003fa
>>>> xc: detail: 1GB PAGES: 0x0000000000000000
>>>>
>>>> I ballooned dom0 down in small steps to be able to create those
>>>> test cases.
>>>>
>>>> I believe the main reason is that some data needed by the benchmark
>>>> is located near the end of domain memory resulting in a rather high
>>>> TLB miss rate in case of not all (or nearly all) memory available in
>>>> form of 2MB pages.
>>>
>>> Did you double check this by creating some other (persistent)
>>> process prior to running your benchmark? I find it rather
>>> unlikely that you would consistently see space from the top of
>>> guest RAM allocated to your test, unless it consumes all RAM
>>> that's available at the time it runs (but then I'd consider it
>>> quite likely for overhead of using the few smaller pages to be
>>> mostly hidden in the noise).
>>>
>>> Or are you suspecting some crucial kernel structures to live
>>> there?
>>
>> Yes, I do. When onlining memory at boot time the kernel is using the new
>> memory chunk to add the page structures and if needed new kernel page
>> tables. It is normally allocating that memory from the end of the new
>> chunk.
>
> The page tables are 4k allocations, sure. But the page structures
> surely would be allocated with higher granularity?
I'm really not sure. It might depend on the memory model (sparse,
sparse vmemmap, flat).
>>>>>> What makes the whole problem even more mysterious is that the
>>>>>> regression was detected first with SLE12 SP3 (guest and dom0, Xen 4.9
>>>>>> and Linux 4.4) against older systems (guest and dom0). While trying
>>>>>> to find out whether the guest or the Xen version are the culprit I
>>>>>> found that the old guest (based on kernel 3.12) showed the mentioned
>>>>>> performance drop with above commit. The new guest (based on kernel
>>>>>> 4.4) shows the same bad performance regardless of the Xen version or
>>>>>> amount of free memory. I haven't found the Linux kernel commit yet
>>>>>> being responsible for that performance drop.
>>>>
>>>> And this might be result of a different memory usage of more recent
>>>> kernels: I suspect the critical data is now at the very end of the
>>>> domain's memory. As there are always some pages allocated in 4kB
>>>> chunks the last pages of the domain will never be part of a 2MB page.
>>>
>>> But if the OS allocated large pages internally for relevant data
>>> structures, those obviously won't come from that necessarily 4k-
>>> mapped tail range.
>>
>> Sure? I think the kernel is using 1GB pages if possible for direct
>> kernel mappings of the physical memory. It doesn't care for the last
>> page mapping some space not populated.
>
> Are you sure? I would very much hope for Linux to not establish
> mappings to addresses where no memory (and no MMIO) resides.
> But I can't tell for sure for recent Linux versions; I do know in the
> old days they were quite careful there.
Looking at phys_pud_init() they are happily using 1GB pages until they
have all memory mapped.
Juergen
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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-05-26 16:14 HVM guest performance regression Juergen Gross
2017-05-26 16:19 ` [for-4.9] " Ian Jackson
2017-05-26 17:00 ` Juergen Gross
2017-05-26 19:01 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-05-29 19:05 ` Juergen Gross
2017-05-30 7:24 ` Jan Beulich
[not found] ` <592D3A3A020000780015D787@suse.com>
2017-05-30 10:33 ` Juergen Gross
2017-05-30 10:43 ` Jan Beulich
[not found] ` <592D68DC020000780015D919@suse.com>
2017-05-30 14:57 ` Juergen Gross [this message]
2017-05-30 15:10 ` Jan Beulich
2017-06-06 13:44 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-06 16:39 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-06-06 19:00 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-06 19:08 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-06-07 6:55 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-07 18:19 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-06-08 9:37 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-08 18:09 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-06-08 18:28 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-08 21:00 ` Dario Faggioli
2017-06-11 2:27 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2017-06-12 5:48 ` Solved: " Juergen Gross
2017-06-12 7:35 ` Andrew Cooper
2017-06-12 7:47 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-12 8:30 ` Andrew Cooper
2017-05-26 17:04 ` Dario Faggioli
2017-05-26 17:25 ` Juergen Gross
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