From: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
To: Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>
Cc: xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [for-4.9] Re: HVM guest performance regression
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 21:00:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5de5e464-ae54-30b4-7a97-0a2dcbf91416@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1706060930460.10022@sstabellini-ThinkPad-X260>
On 06/06/17 18:39, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Jun 2017, Juergen Gross wrote:
>> On 26/05/17 21:01, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 May 2017, Juergen Gross wrote:
>>>> On 26/05/17 18:19, Ian Jackson wrote:
>>>>> Juergen Gross writes ("HVM guest performance regression"):
>>>>>> Looking for the reason of a performance regression of HVM guests under
>>>>>> Xen 4.7 against 4.5 I found the reason to be commit
>>>>>> c26f92b8fce3c9df17f7ef035b54d97cbe931c7a ("libxl: remove freemem_slack")
>>>>>> in Xen 4.6.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem occurred when dom0 had to be ballooned down when starting
>>>>>> the guest. The performance of some micro benchmarks dropped by about
>>>>>> a factor of 2 with above commit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting point is that the performance of the guest will depend on
>>>>>> the amount of free memory being available at guest creation time.
>>>>>> When there was barely enough memory available for starting the guest
>>>>>> the performance will remain low even if memory is being freed later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to suggest we either revert the commit or have some other
>>>>>> mechanism to try to have some reserve free memory when starting a
>>>>>> domain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, dear. The memory accounting swamp again. Clearly we are not
>>>>> going to drain that swamp now, but I don't like regressions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not opposed to reverting that commit. I was a bit iffy about it
>>>>> at the time; and according to the removal commit message, it was
>>>>> basically removed because it was a piece of cargo cult for which we
>>>>> had no justification in any of our records.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed I think fixing this is a candidate for 4.9.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know the mechanism by which the freemem slack helps ? I think
>>>>> that would be a prerequisite for reverting this. That way we can have
>>>>> an understanding of why we are doing things, rather than just
>>>>> flailing at random...
>>>>
>>>> I wish I would understand it.
>>>>
>>>> One candidate would be 2M/1G pages being possible with enough free
>>>> memory, but I haven't proofed this yet. I can have a try by disabling
>>>> big pages in the hypervisor.
>>>
>>> Right, if I had to bet, I would put my money on superpages shattering
>>> being the cause of the problem.
>>
>> Seems you would have lost your money...
>>
>> Meanwhile I've found a way to get the "good" performance in the micro
>> benchmark. Unfortunately this requires to switch off the pv interfaces
>> in the HVM guest via "xen_nopv" kernel boot parameter.
>>
>> I have verified that pv spinlocks are not to blame (via "xen_nopvspin"
>> kernel boot parameter). Switching to clocksource TSC in the running
>> system doesn't help either.
>
> What about xen_hvm_exit_mmap (an optimization for shadow pagetables) and
> xen_hvm_smp_init (PV IPI)?
xen_hvm_exit_mmap isn't active (kernel message telling me so was
issued).
>> Unfortunately the kernel seems no longer to be functional when I try to
>> tweak it not to use the PVHVM enhancements.
>
> I guess you are not talking about regular PV drivers like netfront and
> blkfront, right?
The plan was to be able to use PV drivers without having to use PV
callbacks and PV timers. This isn't possible right now.
>> I'm wondering now whether
>> there have ever been any benchmarks to proof PVHVM really being faster
>> than non-PVHVM? My findings seem to suggest there might be a huge
>> performance gap with PVHVM. OTOH this might depend on hardware and other
>> factors.
>>
>> Stefano, didn't you do the PVHVM stuff back in 2010? Do you have any
>> data from then regarding performance figures?
>
> Yes, I still have these slides:
>
> https://www.slideshare.net/xen_com_mgr/linux-pv-on-hvm
Thanks. So you measured the overall package, not the single items like
callbacks, timers, time source? I'm asking because I start to believe
there are some of those slower than their non-PV variants.
Juergen
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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-05-26 16:14 HVM guest performance regression Juergen Gross
2017-05-26 16:19 ` [for-4.9] " Ian Jackson
2017-05-26 17:00 ` Juergen Gross
2017-05-26 19:01 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-05-29 19:05 ` Juergen Gross
2017-05-30 7:24 ` Jan Beulich
[not found] ` <592D3A3A020000780015D787@suse.com>
2017-05-30 10:33 ` Juergen Gross
2017-05-30 10:43 ` Jan Beulich
[not found] ` <592D68DC020000780015D919@suse.com>
2017-05-30 14:57 ` Juergen Gross
2017-05-30 15:10 ` Jan Beulich
2017-06-06 13:44 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-06 16:39 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-06-06 19:00 ` Juergen Gross [this message]
2017-06-06 19:08 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-06-07 6:55 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-07 18:19 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-06-08 9:37 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-08 18:09 ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-06-08 18:28 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-08 21:00 ` Dario Faggioli
2017-06-11 2:27 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2017-06-12 5:48 ` Solved: " Juergen Gross
2017-06-12 7:35 ` Andrew Cooper
2017-06-12 7:47 ` Juergen Gross
2017-06-12 8:30 ` Andrew Cooper
2017-05-26 17:04 ` Dario Faggioli
2017-05-26 17:25 ` Juergen Gross
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