From: George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@citrix.com>
To: Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com>
Cc: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
Charles Arnold <carnold@suse.com>,
Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>, Glen <glenbarney@gmail.com>,
Dario Faggioli <dfaggioli@suse.com>,
Tomas Mozes <hydrapolic@gmail.com>, Sarah Newman <srn@prgmr.com>,
xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 1/2] xen: credit2: avoid vCPUs to ever reach lower credits than idle
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:40:01 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49F5E83F-DB7A-4756-A1C5-DDF47C9312F3@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57b1c260-0d1b-76de-83e5-65e043263325@citrix.com>
> On Mar 12, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/03/2020 13:44, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>> There have been report of stalls of guest vCPUs, when Credit2 was used.
>> It seemed like these vCPUs were not getting scheduled for very long
>> time, even under light load conditions (e.g., during dom0 boot).
>>
>> Investigations led to the discovery that --although rarely-- it can
>> happen that a vCPU manages to run for very long timeslices. In Credit2,
>> this means that, when runtime accounting happens, the vCPU will lose a
>> large quantity of credits. This in turn may lead to the vCPU having less
>> credits than the idle vCPUs (-2^30). At this point, the scheduler will
>> pick the idle vCPU, instead of the ready to run vCPU, for a few
>> "epochs", which often times is enough for the guest kernel to think the
>> vCPU is not responding and crashing.
>>
>> An example of this situation is shown here. In fact, we can see d0v1
>> sitting in the runqueue while all the CPUs are idle, as it has
>> -1254238270 credits, which is smaller than -2^30 = −1073741824:
>>
>> (XEN) Runqueue 0:
>> (XEN) ncpus = 28
>> (XEN) cpus = 0-27
>> (XEN) max_weight = 256
>> (XEN) pick_bias = 22
>> (XEN) instload = 1
>> (XEN) aveload = 293391 (~111%)
>> (XEN) idlers: 00,00000000,00000000,00000000,00000000,00000000,0fffffff
>> (XEN) tickled: 00,00000000,00000000,00000000,00000000,00000000,00000000
>> (XEN) fully idle cores: 00,00000000,00000000,00000000,00000000,00000000,0fffffff
>> [...]
>> (XEN) Runqueue 0:
>> (XEN) CPU[00] runq=0, sibling=00,..., core=00,...
>> (XEN) CPU[01] runq=0, sibling=00,..., core=00,...
>> [...]
>> (XEN) CPU[26] runq=0, sibling=00,..., core=00,...
>> (XEN) CPU[27] runq=0, sibling=00,..., core=00,...
>> (XEN) RUNQ:
>> (XEN) 0: [0.1] flags=0 cpu=5 credit=-1254238270 [w=256] load=262144 (~100%)
>>
>> We certainly don't want, under any circumstance, this to happen.
>> Therefore, let's use INT_MIN for the credits of the idle vCPU, in
>> Credit2, to be sure that no vCPU can get below that value.
>>
>> NOTE: investigations have been done about _how_ it is possible for a
>> vCPU to execute for so long that its credits becomes so low. While still
>> not completely clear, there are evidence that:
>> - it only happens very rarely
>> - it appears to be both machine and workload specific
>> - it does not look to be a Credit2 (e.g., as it happens when running
>> with Credit1 as well) issue, or a scheduler issue
>
> On what basis?
>
> Everything reported to xen-devel appears to suggests it is a credit2
> problem. It doesn't manifest on versions of Xen before credit2 became
> the default, and switching back to credit1 appears to mitigate the problem.
>
> Certainly as far as XenServer is concerned, we haven't seen symptoms
> like this in a decade of running credit1.
One reason could be because the symptoms are different. On credit1, credits and “priority” are separated; it’s not possible in credit1 for a vcpu to end up with a lower priority than the idle domain, and no matter how low the credits become, a vcpu will always end up with some “peers” at the same priority level, meaning it always has a chance at some cpu.
What Dario is saying (if I understand him correctly) is that the *proximate* cause (allowing a vcpu to have an effective priority of less than idle) is certainly credit2-only; but the *deeper* cause (vcpus racking up massive amounts of negative credit) is not.
-George
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Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-03-12 13:44 [Xen-devel] [PATCH 0/2] xen: credit2: fix vcpu starvation due to too few credits Dario Faggioli
2020-03-12 13:44 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH 1/2] xen: credit2: avoid vCPUs to ever reach lower credits than idle Dario Faggioli
2020-03-12 13:55 ` Andrew Cooper
2020-03-12 14:40 ` George Dunlap [this message]
2020-03-12 15:10 ` Dario Faggioli
2020-03-12 14:58 ` Dario Faggioli
2020-03-12 14:45 ` George Dunlap
2020-03-12 17:03 ` Dario Faggioli
2020-03-12 15:26 ` Jan Beulich
2020-03-12 16:00 ` Jürgen Groß
2020-03-12 16:59 ` Dario Faggioli
2020-03-12 16:11 ` Dario Faggioli
2020-03-12 16:36 ` Jan Beulich
2020-03-12 13:44 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH 2/2] xen: credit2: fix credit reset happening too few times Dario Faggioli
2020-03-12 15:08 ` [Xen-devel] [PATCH 0/2] xen: credit2: fix vcpu starvation due to too few credits Roger Pau Monné
2020-03-12 17:02 ` Dario Faggioli
2020-03-12 17:59 ` Roger Pau Monné
2020-03-13 6:19 ` Dario Faggioli
2020-03-12 15:51 ` Jürgen Groß
2020-03-12 16:27 ` Andrew Cooper
2020-03-13 7:26 ` Dario Faggioli
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