From: "Jan Beulich" <JBeulich@suse.com>
To: Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
Haozhong Zhang <haozhong.zhang@intel.com>
Cc: Juergen Gross <JGross@suse.com>,
Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>, Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>,
George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
IanJackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
George Dunlap <george.dunlap@citrix.com>,
"xen-devel@lists.xen.org" <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
Jun Nakajima <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao@linux.intel.com>,
Keir Fraser <keir@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC Design Doc] Add vNVDIMM support for Xen
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 05:55:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56C32A6302000078000D2A1C@prv-mh.provo.novell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1602161107050.27008@kaball.uk.xensource.com>
>>> On 16.02.16 at 12:14, <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Zhang, Haozhong wrote:
>> On 02/04/16 20:24, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>> > On Thu, 4 Feb 2016, Haozhong Zhang wrote:
>> > > On 02/03/16 15:22, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>> > > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2016, George Dunlap wrote:
>> > > > > On 03/02/16 12:02, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>> > > > > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2016, Haozhong Zhang wrote:
>> > > > > >> Or, we can make a file system on /dev/pmem0, create files on it, set
>> > > > > >> the owner of those files to xen-qemuuser-domid$domid, and then pass
>> > > > > >> those files to QEMU. In this way, non-root QEMU should be able to
>> > > > > >> mmap those files.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Maybe that would work. Worth adding it to the design, I would like to
>> > > > > > read more details on it.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Also note that QEMU initially runs as root but drops privileges to
>> > > > > > xen-qemuuser-domid$domid before the guest is started. Initially QEMU
>> > > > > > *could* mmap /dev/pmem0 while is still running as root, but then it
>> > > > > > wouldn't work for any devices that need to be mmap'ed at run time
>> > > > > > (hotplug scenario).
>> > > > >
>> > > > > This is basically the same problem we have for a bunch of other things,
>> > > > > right? Having xl open a file and then pass it via qmp to qemu should
>> > > > > work in theory, right?
>> > > >
>> > > > Is there one /dev/pmem? per assignable region?
>> > >
>> > > Yes.
>> > >
>> > > BTW, I'm wondering whether and how non-root qemu works with xl disk
>> > > configuration that is going to access a host block device, e.g.
>> > > disk = [ '/dev/sdb,,hda' ]
>> > > If that works with non-root qemu, I may take the similar solution for
>> > > pmem.
>> >
>> > Today the user is required to give the correct ownership and access mode
>> > to the block device, so that non-root QEMU can open it. However in the
>> > case of PCI passthrough, QEMU needs to mmap /dev/mem, as a consequence
>> > the feature doesn't work at all with non-root QEMU
>> > (http://marc.info/?l=xen-devel&m=145261763600528).
>> >
>> > If there is one /dev/pmem device per assignable region, then it would be
>> > conceivable to change its ownership so that non-root QEMU can open it.
>> > Or, better, the file descriptor could be passed by the toolstack via
>> > qmp.
>>
>> Passing file descriptor via qmp is not enough.
>>
>> Let me clarify where the requirement for root/privileged permissions
>> comes from. The primary workflow in my design that maps a host pmem
>> region or files in host pmem region to guest is shown as below:
>> (1) QEMU in Dom0 mmap the host pmem (the host /dev/pmem0 or files on
>> /dev/pmem0) to its virtual address space, i.e. the guest virtual
>> address space.
>> (2) QEMU asks Xen hypervisor to map the host physical address, i.e. SPA
>> occupied by the host pmem to a DomU. This step requires the
>> translation from the guest virtual address (where the host pmem is
>> mmaped in (1)) to the host physical address. The translation can be
>> done by either
>> (a) QEMU that parses its own /proc/self/pagemap,
>> or
>> (b) Xen hypervisor that does the translation by itself [1] (though
>> this choice is not quite doable from Konrad's comments [2]).
>>
>> [1] http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2016-02/msg00434.html
>> [2] http://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2016-02/msg00606.html
>>
>> For 2-a, reading /proc/self/pagemap requires CAP_SYS_ADMIN capability
>> since linux kernel 4.0. Furthermore, if we don't mlock the mapped host
>> pmem (by adding MAP_LOCKED flag to mmap or calling mlock after mmap),
>> pagemap will not contain all mappings. However, mlock may require
>> privileged permission to lock memory larger than RLIMIT_MEMLOCK. Because
>> mlock operates on memory, the permission to open(2) the host pmem files
>> does not solve the problem and therefore passing file descriptor via qmp
>> does not help.
>>
>> For 2-b, from Konrad's comments [2], mlock is also required and
>> privileged permission may be required consequently.
>>
>> Note that the mapping and the address translation are done before QEMU
>> dropping privileged permissions, so non-root QEMU should be able to work
>> with above design until we start considering vNVDIMM hotplug (which has
>> not been supported by the current vNVDIMM implementation in QEMU). In
>> the hotplug case, we may let Xen pass explicit flags to QEMU to keep it
>> running with root permissions.
>
> Are we all good with the fact that vNVDIMM hotplug won't work (unless
> the user explicitly asks for it at domain creation time, which is
> very unlikely otherwise she could use coldplug)?
No, at least there needs to be a road towards hotplug, even if
initially this may not be supported/implemented.
Jan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-16 12:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-01 5:44 [RFC Design Doc] Add vNVDIMM support for Xen Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-01 18:25 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-02 3:27 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02 3:44 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-02 11:09 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-02 6:33 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02 7:39 ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-02-02 7:48 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02 7:53 ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-02-02 8:03 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02 8:49 ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-02-02 19:01 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-02 17:11 ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-02-03 7:00 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-03 9:13 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-03 14:09 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-03 14:23 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-05 14:40 ` Ross Philipson
2016-02-06 1:43 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-06 16:17 ` Ross Philipson
2016-02-03 12:02 ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-02-03 13:11 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-03 14:20 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-04 3:10 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-03 15:16 ` George Dunlap
2016-02-03 15:22 ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-02-03 15:35 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-03 15:35 ` George Dunlap
2016-02-04 2:55 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-04 12:24 ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-02-15 3:16 ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-02-16 11:14 ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-02-16 12:55 ` Jan Beulich [this message]
2016-02-17 9:03 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-04 7:30 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-16 12:55 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-16 13:13 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-16 13:16 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-16 13:55 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-16 14:23 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-16 14:55 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-16 15:23 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-17 8:58 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-17 11:04 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-17 12:44 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-17 12:59 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-17 13:29 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-17 13:52 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-17 14:00 ` Ian Jackson
2016-03-17 14:21 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-29 8:47 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-29 9:11 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-29 10:10 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-29 10:49 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-08 5:02 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-04-08 15:52 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-12 8:45 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-04-21 5:09 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-04-21 7:04 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-22 2:36 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-04-22 8:24 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-22 10:16 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-04-22 10:53 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-22 12:26 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-04-22 12:36 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-22 12:54 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-04-22 13:22 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-17 13:32 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-03 15:47 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-04 2:36 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-15 9:04 ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-02-02 19:15 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-02-03 8:28 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-03 9:18 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-03 12:22 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-03 12:38 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-03 12:49 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-03 14:30 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-03 14:39 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-15 8:43 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-15 11:07 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-17 9:01 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-17 9:08 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-18 7:42 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-19 2:14 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-01 7:39 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-01 18:33 ` Ian Jackson
2016-03-01 18:49 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-02 7:14 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-02 13:03 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-04 2:20 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-08 9:15 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-08 9:27 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-09 12:22 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-09 16:17 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-10 3:27 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-17 11:05 ` Ian Jackson
2016-03-17 13:37 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-17 13:56 ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-17 14:22 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-17 14:12 ` Xu, Quan
2016-03-17 14:22 ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-03-07 20:53 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-08 5:50 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-18 17:17 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-24 13:28 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-24 14:00 ` Ross Philipson
2016-02-24 16:42 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-24 17:50 ` Ross Philipson
2016-02-24 14:24 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-24 15:48 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-24 16:54 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-28 14:48 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-29 9:01 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-29 9:45 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-29 10:12 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-29 11:52 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-02-29 12:04 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-29 12:22 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-03-01 13:51 ` Ian Jackson
2016-03-01 15:04 ` Jan Beulich
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