From: Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>,
George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@citrix.com>,
Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
"yu.c.zhang@linux.intel.com" <yu.c.zhang@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
"Keir (Xen.org)" <keir@xen.org>,
Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com>,
"Tim (Xen.org)" <tim@xen.org>,
"xen-devel@lists.xen.org" <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
"zhiyuan.lv@intel.com" <zhiyuan.lv@intel.com>,
"jun.nakajima@intel.com" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] x86/ioreq server: Rename p2m_mmio_write_dm to p2m_ioreq_server
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 16:58:51 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8397b530c70549e9a1a261ab6fb55b5f@AMSPEX02CL03.citrite.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5717C1E102000078000E6F5C@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Xen-devel [mailto:xen-devel-bounces@lists.xen.org] On Behalf Of Jan
> Beulich
> Sent: 20 April 2016 17:53
> To: George Dunlap; Paul Durrant; Wei Liu; yu.c.zhang@linux.intel.com
> Cc: Kevin Tian; Keir (Xen.org); Andrew Cooper; Tim (Xen.org); xen-
> devel@lists.xen.org; zhiyuan.lv@intel.com; jun.nakajima@intel.com
> Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH v2 2/3] x86/ioreq server: Rename
> p2m_mmio_write_dm to p2m_ioreq_server
>
> >>> George Dunlap <george.dunlap@citrix.com> 04/20/16 6:30 PM >>>
> >On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, George Dunlap
> <george.dunlap@citrix.com> wrote:
> >> On 19/04/16 12:02, Yu, Zhang wrote:
> >>> So I suppose the only place we need change for this patch is
> >>> for hvmmem_type_t, which should be defined like this?
> >>>
> >>> typedef enum {
> >>> HVMMEM_ram_rw, /* Normal read/write guest RAM */
> >>> HVMMEM_ram_ro, /* Read-only; writes are discarded */
> >>> HVMMEM_mmio_dm, /* Reads and write go to the device
> model */
> >>> #if __XEN_INTERFACE_VERSION__ >= 0x00040700
> >>> HVMMEM_ioreq_server
> >>> #else
> >>> HVMMEM_mmio_write_dm
> >>> #endif
> >>> } hvmmem_type_t;
> >>>
> >>> Besides, does 4.7 still accept freeze exception? It would be great
> >>> if we can get an approval for this.
> >>
> >> Wait, do we *actually* need this? Is anyone actually using this?
> >>
> >> I'd say remove it, and if anyone complains, *then* do the #ifdef'ery as
> >> a bug-fix. I'm pretty sure that's Linux's policy -- You Must Keep
> >> Userspace Working, but you can break it to see if anyone complains first.
>
> We don't normally do it like that - we aim at keeping things compatible
> right away. I don't know of a case where we would have knowingly broken
> compatibility for users of the public headers (leaving aside tool stack only
> stuff of course).
>
> >Going further than this:
> >
> >The proposed patch series not only changes the name, it changes the
> >functionality. We do not want code to *compile* against 4.7 and then
> >not *work* against 4.7; and the worst of all is to compile and sort of
> >work but do it incorrectly.
>
> I had the impression that the renaming patch was what it is - a renaming
> patch, without altering behavior.
>
> >Does the ioreq server have a way of asking Xen what version of the ABI
> >it's providing? I'm assuming the answer is "no"; in which case code
> >that is compiled against the 4.6 interface but run on a 4.8 interface
> >that looks like this will fail in a somewhat unpredictable way.
>
> The only thing it can do is ask for the Xen version. The ABI version is not
> being returned by anything (but perhaps should be).
>
> >Given that:
> >
> >1. When we do check the ioreq server functionality in, what's the
> >correct way to deal with code that wants to use the old interface, and
> >what do we do with code compiled against the old interface but running
> >on the new one?
>
> For the full series I'm not sure I can really tell.But as said, for the rename
> patch alone I thought it is just a rename. And that's what we want to get
> in (see Paul's earlier reply - he wants to see the old name gone, so it won't
> be used any further).
>
> >2. What's the best thing to do for this release?
>
> If the entire series (no matter whether to go in now or later) is changing
> behavior, then the only choice is to consider the currently used enum
> value burnt, and use a fresh one for the new semantics.
It sounds like that would be best way. If we don't so that then we have to maintain the write-dm semantics for pages of that type unless the type is claimed (by using the new hypercall) and that's bit icky. I much prefer that pages of the new type are treated as RAM until claimed.
Paul
>
> >If it's the case that the only code that uses this is in XenServer,
> >then I'd say the answer to #1 can be simply, "Don't compile" and
> >"Don't do that" respectively; and the answer to #2 can be either
> >"Leave it be" or "Remove the enum from the public interface".
> >
> >If there are other projects that have started to use this interface,
> >then we need a better answer to #1 than "Compile but fail in
> >unpredicatble ways".
>
> How would we know whether there are other users?
>
> Jan
>
>
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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-31 10:53 [PATCH v2 0/3] x86/ioreq server: introduce HVMMEM_ioreq_server mem type Yu Zhang
2016-03-31 10:53 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] x86/ioreq server: Add new functions to get/set memory types Yu Zhang
2016-04-05 13:57 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-05 14:08 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-08 13:25 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-31 10:53 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] x86/ioreq server: Rename p2m_mmio_write_dm to p2m_ioreq_server Yu Zhang
2016-04-05 14:38 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-08 13:26 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-04-08 21:48 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-18 8:41 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-18 9:10 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-18 9:14 ` Wei Liu
2016-04-18 9:45 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-18 16:40 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-18 16:45 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-18 16:47 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-18 16:58 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-19 11:02 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-19 11:15 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-19 11:38 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-19 11:50 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-19 16:51 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-20 14:59 ` Wei Liu
2016-04-20 15:02 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-20 16:30 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-20 16:52 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-20 16:58 ` Paul Durrant [this message]
2016-04-20 17:06 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-20 17:09 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-21 12:24 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-21 13:31 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-21 13:48 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-21 13:56 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-21 14:09 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-20 17:08 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-21 12:04 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-03-31 10:53 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] x86/ioreq server: Add HVMOP to map guest ram with p2m_ioreq_server to an ioreq server Yu Zhang
[not found] ` <20160404082556.GC28633@deinos.phlegethon.org>
2016-04-05 6:01 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-06 17:13 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-07 7:01 ` Yu, Zhang
[not found] ` <CAFLBxZbLp2zWzCzQTaJNWbanQSmTJ57ZyTh0qaD-+YUn8o8pyQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-04-08 10:39 ` George Dunlap
[not found] ` <5707839F.9060803@linux.intel.com>
2016-04-08 11:01 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-11 11:15 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-14 10:45 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-18 15:57 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-19 9:11 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-19 9:21 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-19 9:44 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-19 10:05 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-19 11:17 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-19 11:47 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-19 11:59 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-20 14:50 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-20 14:57 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-20 15:37 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-20 16:30 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-20 16:58 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-21 13:28 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-21 13:21 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-22 11:27 ` Wei Liu
2016-04-22 11:30 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-19 4:37 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-04-19 9:21 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-08 13:33 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-04-11 11:14 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-11 12:20 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-04-11 16:25 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-08 22:28 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-11 11:14 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-11 16:31 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-12 9:37 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-12 15:08 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-14 9:56 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-19 4:50 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-04-19 8:46 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-19 9:27 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-19 9:40 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-19 9:49 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-19 10:01 ` Paul Durrant
2016-04-19 9:54 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-19 9:15 ` Yu, Zhang
2016-04-19 9:23 ` Paul Durrant
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