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From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] sysctl: Restore the selinux path based label lookup for sysctls.
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:13:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1170958404.11912.313.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m14ppwa64j.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 10:53 -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> writes:
> 
> >
> > Hmmm...turns out to not be quite enough, as the /proc/sys inodes aren't
> > truly private to the fs, so we can run into them in a variety of
> > security hooks beyond just the inode hooks, such as
> > security_file_permission (when reading and writing them via the vfs
> > helpers), security_sb_mount (when mounting other filesystems on
> > directories in proc like binfmt_misc), and deeper within the security
> > module itself (as in flush_unauthorized_files upon inheritance across
> > execve).  So I think we have to add an IS_PRIVATE() guard within
> > SELinux, as below.  Note however that the use of the private flag here
> > could be confusing, as these inodes are _not_ private to the fs, are
> > exposed to userspace, and security modules must implement the sysctl
> > hook to get any access control over them.
> 
> Agreed, the naming is confusing, and using private here doesn't quite
> feel right.
> 
> A practical question is: Will we ever encounter these inodes
> in the inode_init() path from superblock_init?

Possibly, during setup upon initial policy load (initiated by /sbin/init
these days) from selinux_complete_init, as early userspace may have
already been accessing them.

>   If all of the accesses
> that we care about go through inode_doinit_with_dentry we can just
> walk the dcache to get the names, and that should work for the normal
> proc case as well.

Walking the proc_dir_entry tree (or the ctl_table tree) is preferable as
it is a stable, user-immutable representation.  Also avoids taking the
dcache lock.

> A somewhat related question: How do you handle security labels for
> sysfs?  No fine grained security yet.

Right, they are all mapped to a single label presently.  I was thinking
of handling that from userspace after introducing a setxattr handler for
sysfs and a way to preserve the SID on the entry (likely caching it in
the sysfs_dirent and propagating that to the inode when the inode is
populated from the sysfs_dirent).  Then early userspace could walk sysfs
and apply finer-grained labeling from a configuration.

> If it doesn't look easy to solve this another way I will certainly
> go with marking the inodes private.

-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency


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From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] sysctl: Restore the selinux path based label lookup for sysctls.
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:13:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1170958404.11912.313.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m14ppwa64j.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 10:53 -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> writes:
> 
> >
> > Hmmm...turns out to not be quite enough, as the /proc/sys inodes aren't
> > truly private to the fs, so we can run into them in a variety of
> > security hooks beyond just the inode hooks, such as
> > security_file_permission (when reading and writing them via the vfs
> > helpers), security_sb_mount (when mounting other filesystems on
> > directories in proc like binfmt_misc), and deeper within the security
> > module itself (as in flush_unauthorized_files upon inheritance across
> > execve).  So I think we have to add an IS_PRIVATE() guard within
> > SELinux, as below.  Note however that the use of the private flag here
> > could be confusing, as these inodes are _not_ private to the fs, are
> > exposed to userspace, and security modules must implement the sysctl
> > hook to get any access control over them.
> 
> Agreed, the naming is confusing, and using private here doesn't quite
> feel right.
> 
> A practical question is: Will we ever encounter these inodes
> in the inode_init() path from superblock_init?

Possibly, during setup upon initial policy load (initiated by /sbin/init
these days) from selinux_complete_init, as early userspace may have
already been accessing them.

>   If all of the accesses
> that we care about go through inode_doinit_with_dentry we can just
> walk the dcache to get the names, and that should work for the normal
> proc case as well.

Walking the proc_dir_entry tree (or the ctl_table tree) is preferable as
it is a stable, user-immutable representation.  Also avoids taking the
dcache lock.

> A somewhat related question: How do you handle security labels for
> sysfs?  No fine grained security yet.

Right, they are all mapped to a single label presently.  I was thinking
of handling that from userspace after introducing a setxattr handler for
sysfs and a way to preserve the SID on the entry (likely caching it in
the sysfs_dirent and propagating that to the inode when the inode is
populated from the sysfs_dirent).  Then early userspace could walk sysfs
and apply finer-grained labeling from a configuration.

> If it doesn't look easy to solve this another way I will certainly
> go with marking the inodes private.

-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-08 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-28  1:05 + clocksource-add-verification-watchdog-helper-fix-3.patch added to -mm tree akpm
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     [not found]     ` <20070128003549.2ca38dc8.akpm@osdl.org>
     [not found]       ` <20070128093358.GA2071@elte.hu>
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     [not found]           ` <20070128100627.GA8416@elte.hu>
     [not found]             ` <20070128104548.a835d859.akpm@osdl.org>
2007-01-28 19:21               ` [PATCH] sysctl selinux: Don't look at table->de Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-28 19:21                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29 13:04                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 13:04                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 15:23                   ` James Morris
2007-01-29 15:23                     ` James Morris
2007-01-29 17:55                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29 17:55                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29 19:26                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 19:26                         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 17:43                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29 17:43                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29 18:43                     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 18:43                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 19:08                       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-01-29 19:08                         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-01-29 20:07                         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 20:07                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-30 10:25                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-30 17:19                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-01-30 17:19                             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-01-29 19:16                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29 19:16                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-01-29 23:28                       ` Russell Coker
2007-01-29 23:28                         ` Russell Coker
2007-02-06 21:16                   ` [PATCH 1/2] sysctl: Add a parent entry to ctl_table and set the parent entry Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-06 21:16                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-06 21:21                     ` [PATCH 2/2] sysctl: Restore the selinux path based label lookup for sysctls Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-06 21:21                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-07 18:24                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-07 18:24                         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-07 21:12                         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-07 21:12                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-07 21:54                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-07 21:54                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-07 22:21                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-07 22:21                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 15:07                               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-08 15:07                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-08  1:57                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08  1:57                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 15:01                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-08 15:01                               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-08 17:53                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 17:53                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 18:13                                 ` Stephen Smalley [this message]
2007-02-08 18:13                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-08 22:17                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 22:17                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 22:51                                     ` [PATCH 0/5] sysctl cleanup selinux fixes Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 22:51                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 22:53                                       ` [PATCH 1/5] sysctl: Remove declaration of nonexistent sysctl_init() Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 22:53                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 22:54                                         ` [PATCH 2/5] sysctl: Set the parent field in the root sysctl table Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 22:54                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 22:55                                           ` [PATCH 3/5] sysctl: Fix the selinux_sysctl_get_sid Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 22:55                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 23:02                                             ` [PATCH 4/5] selinux: Enhance selinux to always ignore private inodes Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 23:02                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 23:04                                               ` [PATCH 5/5] sysctl: Hide the sysctl proc inodes from selinux Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-08 23:04                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-09 12:26                                               ` [PATCH 4/5] selinux: Enhance selinux to always ignore private inodes Stephen Smalley
2007-02-09 12:26                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-09 12:24                                             ` [PATCH 3/5] sysctl: Fix the selinux_sysctl_get_sid Stephen Smalley
2007-02-09 12:24                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-02-09 11:05                                       ` [PATCH 0/5] sysctl cleanup selinux fixes Andrew Morton
2007-02-09 18:09                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-09 18:09                                           ` Eric W. Biederman

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