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From: Peter De Schrijver <pdeschrijver@nvidia.com>
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Device tree binding for DVFS table
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:34:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120713103408.GF9437@tbergstrom-lnx.Nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120712171016.GL2772@gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

> 
> Peter,
> 
> I agree with your observations in general, but I think some specificity
> is needed:
> 
> > + frequency/voltage relationships
> 
> We should be clear that the voltage does NOT belong to the clock, but to
> the device/module/IP block that consumes that clock.  This is an
> important detail since it means that a clock does not have a
> corresponding table of voltages (e.g. one table per clock), but instead
> a device has a table of voltages corresponding to each clock.
> 

Or the other way around, a table of clock frequencies, 1 for each voltage.

> This is very necessary when a single clock drives multiple devices which
> are driven by separate voltage rails.
> 

Ah ok. How does this work in practice? A device can only run at a given clock
rate if all the rails are at a certain voltage?

> > + power rail constraints (eg voltage difference limit between 2 rails)
> 
> This should come from regulator DT data and not anything DVFS-specific,
> correct?
> 

That's true. I think it can even be open-coded as this is a SoC internal
thing. All boards using this SoC will have the same limits, so I see little
reason to move this info to DT.

> > + clock constraints (eg. clock x frequency must be a fixed ratio of clock y
> >   frequency)
> 
> Yeah, after sending my email above yesterday I instantly regretted it.
> It is true that *functional* clock dependencies are really the purview
> of the device driver.  E.g. for Device X to operate at FAST_SPEED, scale
> functional_clk up to 200MHz and l3_ddr_clk up to 100MHz.  On OMAP our
> display subsystem block also has clock ratio rules that must be honored,
> but it just open-coded.
> 
> It is possible to model those in DT if we really want, but shouldn't be
> a priority for these dvfs-specific bindings.
> 

Agreed.

Cheers,

Peter.

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From: pdeschrijver@nvidia.com (Peter De Schrijver)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Device tree binding for DVFS table
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:34:08 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120713103408.GF9437@tbergstrom-lnx.Nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120712171016.GL2772@gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

> 
> Peter,
> 
> I agree with your observations in general, but I think some specificity
> is needed:
> 
> > + frequency/voltage relationships
> 
> We should be clear that the voltage does NOT belong to the clock, but to
> the device/module/IP block that consumes that clock.  This is an
> important detail since it means that a clock does not have a
> corresponding table of voltages (e.g. one table per clock), but instead
> a device has a table of voltages corresponding to each clock.
> 

Or the other way around, a table of clock frequencies, 1 for each voltage.

> This is very necessary when a single clock drives multiple devices which
> are driven by separate voltage rails.
> 

Ah ok. How does this work in practice? A device can only run at a given clock
rate if all the rails are at a certain voltage?

> > + power rail constraints (eg voltage difference limit between 2 rails)
> 
> This should come from regulator DT data and not anything DVFS-specific,
> correct?
> 

That's true. I think it can even be open-coded as this is a SoC internal
thing. All boards using this SoC will have the same limits, so I see little
reason to move this info to DT.

> > + clock constraints (eg. clock x frequency must be a fixed ratio of clock y
> >   frequency)
> 
> Yeah, after sending my email above yesterday I instantly regretted it.
> It is true that *functional* clock dependencies are really the purview
> of the device driver.  E.g. for Device X to operate at FAST_SPEED, scale
> functional_clk up to 200MHz and l3_ddr_clk up to 100MHz.  On OMAP our
> display subsystem block also has clock ratio rules that must be honored,
> but it just open-coded.
> 
> It is possible to model those in DT if we really want, but shouldn't be
> a priority for these dvfs-specific bindings.
> 

Agreed.

Cheers,

Peter.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-07-13 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-11 12:56 Device tree binding for DVFS table Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-11 13:08 ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-11 14:03 ` Rob Herring
2012-07-11 14:03   ` Rob Herring
2012-07-11 14:44   ` Mark Brown
2012-07-11 14:44     ` Mark Brown
2012-07-11 20:04     ` Mike Turquette
2012-07-11 20:04       ` Mike Turquette
2012-07-12  4:14       ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-12  4:26         ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-12 14:10       ` Peter De Schrijver
2012-07-12 14:10         ` Peter De Schrijver
2012-07-12 17:10         ` Mike Turquette
2012-07-12 17:10           ` Mike Turquette
2012-07-12 17:15           ` Mark Brown
2012-07-12 17:15             ` Mark Brown
2012-07-13 10:34           ` Peter De Schrijver [this message]
2012-07-13 10:34             ` Peter De Schrijver
2012-07-13 17:25             ` Mike Turquette
2012-07-13 17:25               ` Mike Turquette
2012-07-12  4:17     ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-12  4:29       ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-12 15:23       ` Mark Brown
2012-07-12 15:23         ` Mark Brown
2012-07-12 17:01       ` Mike Turquette
2012-07-12 17:01         ` Mike Turquette
2012-07-12  8:19     ` Peter De Schrijver
2012-07-12  8:19       ` Peter De Schrijver
2012-07-12  4:08   ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-12  4:20     ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-13 18:30     ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-13 18:42       ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-15 21:40       ` Mark Brown
2012-07-15 21:40         ` Mark Brown
2012-07-15 23:42     ` Rob Herring
2012-07-15 23:42       ` Rob Herring
2012-07-16 18:36       ` Turquette, Mike
2012-07-16 18:36         ` Turquette, Mike
2012-07-17 12:37         ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-17 12:49           ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-17 13:20           ` Mark Brown
2012-07-17 13:20             ` Mark Brown
2012-07-17 14:22             ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-17 14:34               ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-17 14:37               ` Mark Brown
2012-07-17 14:37                 ` Mark Brown
2012-07-18 12:46                 ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-18 12:58                   ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-18 21:19                   ` Mark Brown
2012-07-18 21:19                     ` Mark Brown
2012-07-18 17:08 ` Shawn Guo
2012-07-18 17:08   ` Shawn Guo
2012-07-11 13:08 함명주
2012-07-11 13:08 ` 함명주
2012-07-11 13:49 ` Peter De Schrijver
2012-07-11 13:49   ` Peter De Schrijver
2012-07-11 13:49 ` Peter De Schrijver
2012-07-11 13:49   ` Peter De Schrijver
2012-07-12  4:22   ` Prashant Gaikwad
2012-07-12  4:34     ` Prashant Gaikwad

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