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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: Nils Holland <nholland@tisys.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, David Sterba <dsterba@suse.cz>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm, memcg: fix (Re: OOM: Better, but still there on)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 12:05:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161230110545.GF13301@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161230101926.jjjw76negqcvyaim@suse.de>

On Fri 30-12-16 10:19:26, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 01:48:40PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Fri 23-12-16 23:26:00, Nils Holland wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 03:47:39PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Nils, even though this is still highly experimental, could you give it a
> > > > try please?
> > > 
> > > Yes, no problem! So I kept the very first patch you sent but had to
> > > revert the latest version of the debugging patch (the one in
> > > which you added the "mm_vmscan_inactive_list_is_low" event) because
> > > otherwise the patch you just sent wouldn't apply. Then I rebooted with
> > > memory cgroups enabled again, and the first thing that strikes the eye
> > > is that I get this during boot:
> > > 
> > > [    1.568174] ------------[ cut here ]------------
> > > [    1.568327] WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 1 at mm/memcontrol.c:1032 mem_cgroup_update_lru_size+0x118/0x130
> > > [    1.568543] mem_cgroup_update_lru_size(f4406400, 2, 1): lru_size 0 but not empty
> > 
> > Ohh, I can see what is wrong! a) there is a bug in the accounting in
> > my patch (I double account) and b) the detection for the empty list
> > cannot work after my change because per node zone will not match per
> > zone statistics. The updated patch is below. So I hope my brain already
> > works after it's been mostly off last few days...
> > ---
> > From 397adf46917b2d9493180354a7b0182aee280a8b Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:11:54 +0100
> > Subject: [PATCH] mm, memcg: fix the active list aging for lowmem requests when
> >  memcg is enabled
> > 
> > Nils Holland has reported unexpected OOM killer invocations with 32b
> > kernel starting with 4.8 kernels
> > 
> 
> I think it's unfortunate that per-zone stats are reintroduced to the
> memcg structure.

the original patch I had didn't add per zone stats but rather did a
nr_highmem counter to mem_cgroup_per_node (inside ifdeff CONFIG_HIGMEM).
This would help for this particular case but it wouldn't work for other
lowmem requests (e.g. GFP_DMA32) and with the kmem accounting this might
be a problem in future. So I've decided to go with a more generic
approach which requires per-zone tracking. I cannot say I would be
overly happy about this at all.

> I can't help but think that it would have also worked
> to always rotate a small number of pages if !inactive_list_is_low and
> reclaiming for memcg even if it distorted page aging.

I am not really sure how that would work. Do you mean something like the
following?

diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
index fa30010a5277..563ada3c02ac 100644
--- a/mm/vmscan.c
+++ b/mm/vmscan.c
@@ -2044,6 +2044,9 @@ static bool inactive_list_is_low(struct lruvec *lruvec, bool file,
 	inactive = lruvec_lru_size(lruvec, file * LRU_FILE);
 	active = lruvec_lru_size(lruvec, file * LRU_FILE + LRU_ACTIVE);
 
+	if (!mem_cgroup_disabled())
+		goto out;
+
 	/*
 	 * For zone-constrained allocations, it is necessary to check if
 	 * deactivations are required for lowmem to be reclaimed. This
@@ -2063,6 +2066,7 @@ static bool inactive_list_is_low(struct lruvec *lruvec, bool file,
 		active -= min(active, active_zone);
 	}
 
+out:
 	gb = (inactive + active) >> (30 - PAGE_SHIFT);
 	if (gb)
 		inactive_ratio = int_sqrt(10 * gb);

The problem I see with such an approach is that chances are that this
would reintroduce what f8d1a31163fc ("mm: consider whether to decivate
based on eligible zones inactive ratio") tried to fix. But maybe I have
missed your point.

> However, given that such an approach would be less robust and this has
> been heavily tested;
> 
> Acked-by: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>

Thanks!
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: Nils Holland <nholland@tisys.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, David Sterba <dsterba@suse.cz>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm, memcg: fix (Re: OOM: Better, but still there on)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 12:05:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161230110545.GF13301@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161230101926.jjjw76negqcvyaim@suse.de>

On Fri 30-12-16 10:19:26, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 01:48:40PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Fri 23-12-16 23:26:00, Nils Holland wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 03:47:39PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Nils, even though this is still highly experimental, could you give it a
> > > > try please?
> > > 
> > > Yes, no problem! So I kept the very first patch you sent but had to
> > > revert the latest version of the debugging patch (the one in
> > > which you added the "mm_vmscan_inactive_list_is_low" event) because
> > > otherwise the patch you just sent wouldn't apply. Then I rebooted with
> > > memory cgroups enabled again, and the first thing that strikes the eye
> > > is that I get this during boot:
> > > 
> > > [    1.568174] ------------[ cut here ]------------
> > > [    1.568327] WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 1 at mm/memcontrol.c:1032 mem_cgroup_update_lru_size+0x118/0x130
> > > [    1.568543] mem_cgroup_update_lru_size(f4406400, 2, 1): lru_size 0 but not empty
> > 
> > Ohh, I can see what is wrong! a) there is a bug in the accounting in
> > my patch (I double account) and b) the detection for the empty list
> > cannot work after my change because per node zone will not match per
> > zone statistics. The updated patch is below. So I hope my brain already
> > works after it's been mostly off last few days...
> > ---
> > From 397adf46917b2d9493180354a7b0182aee280a8b Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:11:54 +0100
> > Subject: [PATCH] mm, memcg: fix the active list aging for lowmem requests when
> >  memcg is enabled
> > 
> > Nils Holland has reported unexpected OOM killer invocations with 32b
> > kernel starting with 4.8 kernels
> > 
> 
> I think it's unfortunate that per-zone stats are reintroduced to the
> memcg structure.

the original patch I had didn't add per zone stats but rather did a
nr_highmem counter to mem_cgroup_per_node (inside ifdeff CONFIG_HIGMEM).
This would help for this particular case but it wouldn't work for other
lowmem requests (e.g. GFP_DMA32) and with the kmem accounting this might
be a problem in future. So I've decided to go with a more generic
approach which requires per-zone tracking. I cannot say I would be
overly happy about this at all.

> I can't help but think that it would have also worked
> to always rotate a small number of pages if !inactive_list_is_low and
> reclaiming for memcg even if it distorted page aging.

I am not really sure how that would work. Do you mean something like the
following?

diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
index fa30010a5277..563ada3c02ac 100644
--- a/mm/vmscan.c
+++ b/mm/vmscan.c
@@ -2044,6 +2044,9 @@ static bool inactive_list_is_low(struct lruvec *lruvec, bool file,
 	inactive = lruvec_lru_size(lruvec, file * LRU_FILE);
 	active = lruvec_lru_size(lruvec, file * LRU_FILE + LRU_ACTIVE);
 
+	if (!mem_cgroup_disabled())
+		goto out;
+
 	/*
 	 * For zone-constrained allocations, it is necessary to check if
 	 * deactivations are required for lowmem to be reclaimed. This
@@ -2063,6 +2066,7 @@ static bool inactive_list_is_low(struct lruvec *lruvec, bool file,
 		active -= min(active, active_zone);
 	}
 
+out:
 	gb = (inactive + active) >> (30 - PAGE_SHIFT);
 	if (gb)
 		inactive_ratio = int_sqrt(10 * gb);

The problem I see with such an approach is that chances are that this
would reintroduce what f8d1a31163fc ("mm: consider whether to decivate
based on eligible zones inactive ratio") tried to fix. But maybe I have
missed your point.

> However, given that such an approach would be less robust and this has
> been heavily tested;
> 
> Acked-by: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>

Thanks!
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-15 22:57 OOM: Better, but still there on 4.9 Nils Holland
2016-12-16  7:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16  7:39   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 15:58   ` OOM: Better, but still there on Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 15:58     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 15:58     ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: consolidate GFP_NOFAIL checks in the allocator slowpath Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 15:58       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 15:58     ` [PATCH 2/2] mm, oom: do not enfore OOM killer for __GFP_NOFAIL automatically Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 15:58       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 17:31       ` Johannes Weiner
2016-12-16 17:31         ` Johannes Weiner
2016-12-16 22:12         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 22:12           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-17 11:17           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-17 11:17             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-18 16:37             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-18 16:37               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 18:47     ` OOM: Better, but still there on Nils Holland
2016-12-16 18:47       ` Nils Holland
2016-12-17  0:02       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-17  0:02         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-17 12:59         ` Nils Holland
2016-12-17 12:59           ` Nils Holland
2016-12-17 14:44           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-17 14:44             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-17 17:11             ` Nils Holland
2016-12-17 17:11               ` Nils Holland
2016-12-17 21:06             ` Nils Holland
2016-12-17 21:06               ` Nils Holland
2016-12-18  5:14               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-18  5:14                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-19 13:45               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-19 13:45                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-20  2:08                 ` Nils Holland
2016-12-20  2:08                   ` Nils Holland
2016-12-21  7:36                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-21  7:36                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-21 11:00                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-21 11:00                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-21 11:16                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-21 11:16                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-21 14:04                         ` Chris Mason
2016-12-21 14:04                           ` Chris Mason
2016-12-22 10:10                     ` Nils Holland
2016-12-22 10:10                       ` Nils Holland
2016-12-22 10:27                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-22 10:27                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-22 10:35                         ` Nils Holland
2016-12-22 10:35                           ` Nils Holland
2016-12-22 10:46                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-22 10:46                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-12-22 19:17                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-22 19:17                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-22 21:46                         ` Nils Holland
2016-12-22 21:46                           ` Nils Holland
2016-12-23 10:51                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-23 10:51                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-23 12:18                             ` Nils Holland
2016-12-23 12:18                               ` Nils Holland
2016-12-23 12:57                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-23 12:57                                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-23 14:47                                 ` [RFC PATCH] mm, memcg: fix (Re: OOM: Better, but still there on) Michal Hocko
2016-12-23 14:47                                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-23 22:26                                   ` Nils Holland
2016-12-23 22:26                                     ` Nils Holland
2016-12-26 12:48                                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-26 12:48                                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-26 18:57                                       ` Nils Holland
2016-12-26 18:57                                         ` Nils Holland
2016-12-27  8:08                                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27  8:08                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 11:23                                           ` Nils Holland
2016-12-27 11:23                                             ` Nils Holland
2016-12-27 11:27                                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 11:27                                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 15:55                                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 15:55                                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 16:28                                         ` [PATCH] mm, vmscan: consider eligible zones in get_scan_count kbuild test robot
2016-12-28  8:51                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-28  8:51                                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-27 19:33                                         ` [RFC PATCH] mm, memcg: fix (Re: OOM: Better, but still there on) Nils Holland
2016-12-27 19:33                                           ` Nils Holland
2016-12-28  8:57                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-28  8:57                                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  1:20                                         ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  1:20                                           ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  9:04                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  9:04                                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30  2:05                                             ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-30  2:05                                               ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-30 10:40                                               ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30 10:40                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  0:31                                       ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  0:31                                         ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  0:48                                         ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  0:48                                           ` Minchan Kim
2016-12-29  8:52                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-29  8:52                                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30 10:19                                       ` Mel Gorman
2016-12-30 10:19                                         ` Mel Gorman
2016-12-30 11:05                                         ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2016-12-30 11:05                                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-30 12:43                                           ` Mel Gorman
2016-12-30 12:43                                             ` Mel Gorman
2016-12-25 22:25                                   ` [lkp-developer] [mm, memcg] d18e2b2aca: WARNING:at_mm/memcontrol.c:#mem_cgroup_update_lru_size kernel test robot
2016-12-25 22:25                                     ` kernel test robot
2016-12-26 12:26                                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-26 12:26                                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-26 12:26                                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-26 12:50                                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-26 12:50                                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-26 12:50                                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-18  0:28             ` OOM: Better, but still there on Xin Zhou
2016-12-16 18:15   ` OOM: Better, but still there on 4.9 Chris Mason
2016-12-16 18:15     ` Chris Mason
2016-12-16 22:14     ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 22:14       ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 22:47       ` Chris Mason
2016-12-16 22:47         ` Chris Mason
2016-12-16 23:31         ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 23:31           ` Michal Hocko
2016-12-16 19:50   ` Chris Mason
2016-12-16 19:50     ` Chris Mason

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