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From: Dmitry Sepp <dmitry.sepp@opensynergy.com>
To: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>
Cc: "Keiichi Watanabe" <keiichiw@chromium.org>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	"Linux Media Mailing List" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@chromium.org>,
	"Alex Lau" <alexlau@chromium.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Dylan Reid" <dgreid@chromium.org>,
	"Enrico Granata" <egranata@google.com>,
	"Frediano Ziglio" <fziglio@redhat.com>,
	"Hans Verkuil" <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Stéphane Marchesin" <marcheu@chromium.org>,
	"Pawel Osciak" <posciak@chromium.org>,
	spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"David Stevens" <stevensd@chromium.org>,
	uril@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/1] VirtIO video device specification
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 14:05:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3016670.ToaXtcqt80@os-lin-dmo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAFQd5BxpOjAXV2TtF3GZfuZUJb65bECUn3VGtOxBOMz=bmnFg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tomasz, Keiichi,

On Samstag, 21. Dezember 2019 07:19:23 CET Tomasz Figa wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 3:18 PM Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 1:36 PM Keiichi Watanabe <keiichiw@chromium.org> 
wrote:
> > > Hi Dmitry,
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 12:59 AM Dmitry Sepp
> > > 
> > > <dmitry.sepp@opensynergy.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi Keiichi,
> > > > 
> > > > On Mittwoch, 18. Dezember 2019 14:02:13 CET Keiichi Watanabe wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > This is the 2nd version of virtio-video patch. The PDF is available
> > > > > in [1].
> > > > > The first version was sent at [2].
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Keiichi
> > > > > 
> > > > > [1]:
> > > > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1eT5fEckBoor2iHZR4f4GLxYzFMVa
> > > > > pOFx?us
> > > > > p=sharing [2]: https://markmail.org/message/gc6h25acct22niut
> > > > > 
> > > > > Change log:
> > > > > 
> > > > > v2:
> > > > > * Removed functionalities except encoding and decoding.
> > > > > * Splited encoder and decoder into different devices that use the
> > > > > same
> > > > > protocol. * Replaced GET_FUNCS with GET_CAPABILITY.
> > > > > * Updated structs for capabilities.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - Defined new structs and enums such as image formats, profiles,
> > > > >   range
> > > > > 
> > > > > (min, max, step), etc
> > > > > 
> > > > >     * For virtio_video_pixel_format, chose a naming convention that
> > > > >     is used
> > > > >     
> > > > >       in DRM. We removed XBGR, NV21 and I422, as they are not used
> > > > >       in the
> > > > >       current draft implementation. https://lwn.net/Articles/806416/
> > > > >   
> > > > >   - Removed virtio_video_control, whose usage was not documented yet
> > > > >   and
> > > > > 
> > > > > which is not necessary for the simplest decoding scenario.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - Removed virtio_video_desc, as it is no longer needed.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Updated struct virtio_video_config for changes around
> > > > > capabilities.
> > > > > * Added a way to represent supported combinations of formats.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - A field "mask" in virtio_video_format_desc plays this role.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Removed VIRTIO_VIDEO_T_STREAM_{START,STOP} because they don't play
> > > > > any
> > > > > meaningful roles. * Removed VIRTIO_VIDEO_T_STREAM_{ATTACH,
> > > > > DETACH}_BACKING
> > > > > and merged them into RESOURCE_{CREATE, DESTROY}. * Added a way to
> > > > > notify/specify resource creation method.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - Added a feature flag.
> > > > >   - Defined enum virtio_video_mem_type.
> > > > >   - Added new fields in video_stream_create.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Modified fields in virtio_video_params.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - Added crop information.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Removed enum virtio_video_channel_type because we can get this
> > > > > information by image format.
> > > > 
> > > > Could you please explain this? How do you get the information?
> > > 
> > > It means that if image formats are well-defined, channel information
> > > (e.g. the order of channels) is uniquely determined.
> > > 
> > > > Suppose you have some piece of HW on the host side that wants I420 as
> > > > one
> > > > contig buffer w/ some offsets. But on the driver side, say, gralloc
> > > > gives you three separate buffers, one per channel. How do we pass
> > > > those to the device then?
> > > 
> > > You're talking about CrOS use case where buffers are allocated by
> > > virtio-gpu, right?
> > > In this case, virtio-gpu allocates one contiguous host-side buffer and
> > > the client regards a pair of (buffer FD, offset) as one channel.
> > > And, we can register this pair to the device when the buffer is
> > > imported.
> > > In the virtio-vdec spec draft, this pair corresponds to struct
> > > virtio_vdec_plane in struct virtio_vdec_plane.
> > > 
> > > So, I suppose we will need similar structs when we add a control to
> > > import buffers. However, I don't think it's necessary when guest pages
> > > are used.
> > 
> > I think we need some way for the guest to know whether it can allocate
> > the planes in separate buffers, even when guest pages are used. This
> > would be equivalent to V4L2 M and non-M formats, but mixing this into
> > FourCC in V4L2 is an acknowledged mistake, so we should add a query or
> > something.
> > 

Yes, this is what I mean. In fact, we already do face the situation when the 
device side is not happy with the sgt and wants contig. I think we'll add a 
module parameter for now.

Regards,
Dmitry.

> > For future V4L2 development we came up with the idea of a format flag
> > which could mean that the hardware allows putting planes in separate
> > buffers. We could have a similar per-format flag in the capabilities,
> > as we already have a list of all the supported formats there.
> 
> Sorry, forgot to paste the link from future V4L2 work notes from this year
> ELCE: https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-media/msg159789.html
> 
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz
> > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Keiichi
> > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Dmitry.
> > > > 
> > > > > * Renamed virtio_video_pin to virtio_video_buf_type.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - It's similar to V4L2_BUF_TYPE_VIDEO_{OUTPUT, CAPTURE}.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Added an error event.
> > > > > * Reordered some subsections.
> > > > > * Changed styles to make it consistent with other devices.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dmitry Sepp (1):
> > > > >   virtio-video: Add virtio video device specification
> > > > >  
> > > > >  content.tex      |   1 +
> > > > >  virtio-video.tex | 579
> > > > >  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > >  2 files changed, 580 insertions(+)
> > > > >  create mode 100644 virtio-video.tex
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > 2.24.1.735.g03f4e72817-goog



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dmitry Sepp <dmitry.sepp@opensynergy.com>
To: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>
Cc: "Keiichi Watanabe" <keiichiw@chromium.org>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	"Linux Media Mailing List" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@chromium.org>,
	"Alex Lau" <alexlau@chromium.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Dylan Reid" <dgreid@chromium.org>,
	"Enrico Granata" <egranata@google.com>,
	"Frediano Ziglio" <fziglio@redhat.com>,
	"Hans Verkuil" <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Stéphane Marchesin" <marcheu@chromium.org>,
	"Pawel Osciak" <posciak@chromium.org>,
	spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"David Stevens" <stevensd@chromium.org>,
	uril@redhat.com
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v2 0/1] VirtIO video device specification
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 14:05:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3016670.ToaXtcqt80@os-lin-dmo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAFQd5BxpOjAXV2TtF3GZfuZUJb65bECUn3VGtOxBOMz=bmnFg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tomasz, Keiichi,

On Samstag, 21. Dezember 2019 07:19:23 CET Tomasz Figa wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 3:18 PM Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 1:36 PM Keiichi Watanabe <keiichiw@chromium.org> 
wrote:
> > > Hi Dmitry,
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 12:59 AM Dmitry Sepp
> > > 
> > > <dmitry.sepp@opensynergy.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi Keiichi,
> > > > 
> > > > On Mittwoch, 18. Dezember 2019 14:02:13 CET Keiichi Watanabe wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > This is the 2nd version of virtio-video patch. The PDF is available
> > > > > in [1].
> > > > > The first version was sent at [2].
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any feedback would be appreciated. Thank you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Keiichi
> > > > > 
> > > > > [1]:
> > > > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1eT5fEckBoor2iHZR4f4GLxYzFMVa
> > > > > pOFx?us
> > > > > p=sharing [2]: https://markmail.org/message/gc6h25acct22niut
> > > > > 
> > > > > Change log:
> > > > > 
> > > > > v2:
> > > > > * Removed functionalities except encoding and decoding.
> > > > > * Splited encoder and decoder into different devices that use the
> > > > > same
> > > > > protocol. * Replaced GET_FUNCS with GET_CAPABILITY.
> > > > > * Updated structs for capabilities.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - Defined new structs and enums such as image formats, profiles,
> > > > >   range
> > > > > 
> > > > > (min, max, step), etc
> > > > > 
> > > > >     * For virtio_video_pixel_format, chose a naming convention that
> > > > >     is used
> > > > >     
> > > > >       in DRM. We removed XBGR, NV21 and I422, as they are not used
> > > > >       in the
> > > > >       current draft implementation. https://lwn.net/Articles/806416/
> > > > >   
> > > > >   - Removed virtio_video_control, whose usage was not documented yet
> > > > >   and
> > > > > 
> > > > > which is not necessary for the simplest decoding scenario.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - Removed virtio_video_desc, as it is no longer needed.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Updated struct virtio_video_config for changes around
> > > > > capabilities.
> > > > > * Added a way to represent supported combinations of formats.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - A field "mask" in virtio_video_format_desc plays this role.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Removed VIRTIO_VIDEO_T_STREAM_{START,STOP} because they don't play
> > > > > any
> > > > > meaningful roles. * Removed VIRTIO_VIDEO_T_STREAM_{ATTACH,
> > > > > DETACH}_BACKING
> > > > > and merged them into RESOURCE_{CREATE, DESTROY}. * Added a way to
> > > > > notify/specify resource creation method.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - Added a feature flag.
> > > > >   - Defined enum virtio_video_mem_type.
> > > > >   - Added new fields in video_stream_create.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Modified fields in virtio_video_params.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - Added crop information.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Removed enum virtio_video_channel_type because we can get this
> > > > > information by image format.
> > > > 
> > > > Could you please explain this? How do you get the information?
> > > 
> > > It means that if image formats are well-defined, channel information
> > > (e.g. the order of channels) is uniquely determined.
> > > 
> > > > Suppose you have some piece of HW on the host side that wants I420 as
> > > > one
> > > > contig buffer w/ some offsets. But on the driver side, say, gralloc
> > > > gives you three separate buffers, one per channel. How do we pass
> > > > those to the device then?
> > > 
> > > You're talking about CrOS use case where buffers are allocated by
> > > virtio-gpu, right?
> > > In this case, virtio-gpu allocates one contiguous host-side buffer and
> > > the client regards a pair of (buffer FD, offset) as one channel.
> > > And, we can register this pair to the device when the buffer is
> > > imported.
> > > In the virtio-vdec spec draft, this pair corresponds to struct
> > > virtio_vdec_plane in struct virtio_vdec_plane.
> > > 
> > > So, I suppose we will need similar structs when we add a control to
> > > import buffers. However, I don't think it's necessary when guest pages
> > > are used.
> > 
> > I think we need some way for the guest to know whether it can allocate
> > the planes in separate buffers, even when guest pages are used. This
> > would be equivalent to V4L2 M and non-M formats, but mixing this into
> > FourCC in V4L2 is an acknowledged mistake, so we should add a query or
> > something.
> > 

Yes, this is what I mean. In fact, we already do face the situation when the 
device side is not happy with the sgt and wants contig. I think we'll add a 
module parameter for now.

Regards,
Dmitry.

> > For future V4L2 development we came up with the idea of a format flag
> > which could mean that the hardware allows putting planes in separate
> > buffers. We could have a similar per-format flag in the capabilities,
> > as we already have a list of all the supported formats there.
> 
> Sorry, forgot to paste the link from future V4L2 work notes from this year
> ELCE: https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-media/msg159789.html
> 
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz
> > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Keiichi
> > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Dmitry.
> > > > 
> > > > > * Renamed virtio_video_pin to virtio_video_buf_type.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   - It's similar to V4L2_BUF_TYPE_VIDEO_{OUTPUT, CAPTURE}.
> > > > > 
> > > > > * Added an error event.
> > > > > * Reordered some subsections.
> > > > > * Changed styles to make it consistent with other devices.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dmitry Sepp (1):
> > > > >   virtio-video: Add virtio video device specification
> > > > >  
> > > > >  content.tex      |   1 +
> > > > >  virtio-video.tex | 579
> > > > >  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > >  2 files changed, 580 insertions(+)
> > > > >  create mode 100644 virtio-video.tex
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > 2.24.1.735.g03f4e72817-goog



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Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-18 13:02 [PATCH v2 0/1] VirtIO video device specification Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-18 13:02 ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-18 13:02 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] virtio-video: Add virtio " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-18 13:02   ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-18 13:40   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-18 13:40     ` [virtio-dev] " Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-18 14:08     ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-18 14:08       ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19  7:46       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-19  7:46         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-19  9:48         ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19  9:48           ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19  9:59           ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19  9:59             ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19 10:54             ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19 10:54               ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19 12:05               ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19 12:05                 ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19 13:12               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-19 13:12                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-08 13:52                 ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 13:52                   ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-09 13:40                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-09 13:40                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-09 14:20                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-09 14:20                     ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-14  7:18                     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-14  7:18                       ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-14 10:35                       ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-14 10:35                         ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-15  7:49                         ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-15  7:49                           ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-15 11:12                         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-15 11:12                           ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19 13:01           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-19 13:01             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-08 13:50             ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 13:50               ` Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-19  9:26     ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19  9:26       ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19  9:59       ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19  9:59         ` [virtio-dev] " Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19 12:54       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-19 12:54         ` [virtio-dev] " Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-18 17:29   ` Frediano Ziglio
2019-12-20 14:05     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-20 14:05       ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-20 15:33       ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-20 15:33         ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19 13:28   ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19 13:28     ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-20 15:26     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-20 15:26       ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-20 15:46       ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-21  6:46         ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-21  6:46           ` [virtio-dev] " Tomasz Figa
2019-12-30 12:16     ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-30 12:16       ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06  6:31       ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-06  6:31         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-06  8:33         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-06  8:33           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-06  9:29           ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06  9:29             ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-03 15:47   ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-03 15:47     ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06  8:47     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-06  8:47       ` [virtio-dev] " Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-06 10:21     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-06 10:21       ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-06 14:59   ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06 14:59     ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-07 13:24     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-07 13:24       ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-07 16:50       ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-07 16:50         ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-08  6:59         ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08  6:59           ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 10:00           ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-08 10:00             ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-08 12:14             ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 12:14               ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 12:46               ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-08 12:46                 ` [virtio-dev] " Tomasz Figa
2020-01-08 13:05                 ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 13:05                   ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 13:11                 ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-08 13:11                   ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-08 13:23                   ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 13:23                     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 12:23   ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 12:23     ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-20 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] VirtIO " Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-20 15:58   ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-21  4:36   ` Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-21  4:36     ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-21  6:18     ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-21  6:18       ` [virtio-dev] " Tomasz Figa
2019-12-21  6:19       ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-21  6:19         ` [virtio-dev] " Tomasz Figa
2020-01-03 13:05         ` Dmitry Sepp [this message]
2020-01-03 13:05           ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06 10:30           ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-06 10:30             ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-06 11:28             ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06 11:28               ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-07 10:25               ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-07 10:25                 ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-09 14:56                 ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-09 14:56                   ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-10 10:16                   ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-10 10:16                     ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-10 13:53                     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-10 13:53                       ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-10 15:11                       ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-10 15:11                         ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-11 16:06                         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-11 16:06                           ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-13  9:50                           ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-13  9:50                             ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-15 11:23                             ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-15 11:23                               ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-13  9:56                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-13  9:56                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-13 10:41                           ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-13 11:05                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-13 11:05                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-13 11:59                               ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-13 11:59                                 ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-13 13:26                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-13 13:26                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-15 11:00                                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-15 11:00                                     ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-15 11:23                                     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-15 11:23                                       ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-15 11:26                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-15 11:26                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-20  7:20                                       ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-20  7:20                                         ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-20 10:47                                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-20 10:47                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-21  2:47                                           ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-21  2:47                                             ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-21  6:44                                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-21  6:44                                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-21  8:56                                               ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-21  8:56                                                 ` Keiichi Watanabe

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