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From: Juergen Gross <juergen.gross@ts.fujitsu.com>
To: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@amd.com>
Cc: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <Stefano.Stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	Dario Faggioli <raistlin@linux.it>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes [and 1 more messages]
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:54:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5006C023.3050207@ts.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5006BCC1.7050001@amd.com>

Am 18.07.2012 15:40, schrieb Andre Przywara:
> On 07/18/2012 01:00 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Ian Campbell writes ("Re: [PATCH 1 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: enable
>> automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes [and 1 more messages]"):
>>> On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 10:43 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>>>> What could be done is restricting automatic placement to guests that
>>>> fits on 4 or 8 nodes for 4.2.
>>>
>>> 8 would mean on a 32 node system considering 10,518,300 combinations?
>>>
>>> 4 would mean on a 32 node system considering 35,960 combinations? On a
>>> 64 node system it would mean 635,376 combinations.
>>>
>>> If that's the case then lets go with 4 as the limit for 4.2.0.
>>
>> What is the maximum number of NUMA nodes we might expect to see on a
>> single system in the next five years? I would argue that 32 is too
>> optimistic. 128 or 256 seem like more reasonable upper bounds.
>
> Wow, what are you talking about?
> To calm this down from the AMD side:
> The current Opteron NUMA architecture is limited to exactly 8 nodes.
> This has ever been the case since the release of Opteron and changing
> this is not trivial and will not happen in any near future. In general I
> don't think we will see much bigger NUMA systems, but more cluster like
> architectures.
>
> Maybe Juergen can comment on the Fujitsu side.

I'm not aware of anything with more than 8 nodes. OTOH I'm in the SW
department. I'm not sure I would hear about a larger machine long before
it is announced in public. :-)


Juergen

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-18 13:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-10 15:03 [PATCH 0 of 3 v4/leftover] Automatic NUMA placement for xl Dario Faggioli
2012-07-10 15:03 ` [PATCH 1 of 3 v4/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes Dario Faggioli
2012-07-17 15:55   ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-16 17:13     ` [PATCH 0 of 3 v5/leftover] Automatic NUMA placement for xl Dario Faggioli
2012-07-16 17:13       ` [PATCH 1 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes Dario Faggioli
2012-07-17 18:04         ` [PATCH 1 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson
2012-07-17 20:23           ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-18  0:31             ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18 10:44             ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-18  0:22           ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18  8:27             ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18  9:13             ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-18  9:43               ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18  9:53                 ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-18 10:08                   ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18 11:00                   ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-18 13:14                     ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-18 13:35                       ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-19 12:47                       ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18 13:40                     ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-18 13:54                       ` Juergen Gross [this message]
2012-07-18 14:00                       ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-19 14:43                       ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-19 18:37                         ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-21  1:46                           ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18 10:53                 ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-18 13:12                   ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-18  9:47             ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-19 12:21         ` [PATCH 1 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes Andre Przywara
2012-07-19 14:22           ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20  8:19             ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-20  9:39               ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20 10:01                 ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20  8:20             ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20  8:26               ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-20  8:38                 ` Juergen Gross
2012-07-20  9:52                   ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20  9:56                     ` Juergen Gross
2012-07-20  9:44                 ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20 11:47                   ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-20 12:54                     ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20 13:07                       ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-21  1:44                         ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-16 17:13       ` [PATCH 2 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: have NUMA placement deal with cpupools Dario Faggioli
2012-07-16 17:13       ` [PATCH 3 of 3 v5/leftover] Some automatic NUMA placement documentation Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20 11:07       ` [PATCH 0 of 3 v5/leftover] Automatic NUMA placement for xl David Vrabel
2012-07-20 11:43         ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-20 12:00           ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-20 12:08             ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-23 10:38               ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-23 10:42                 ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-23 15:31                   ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-23 10:23             ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20 12:14           ` David Vrabel
2012-07-17 15:59     ` [PATCH 1 of 3 v4/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes Ian Campbell
2012-07-17 18:01       ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-17 22:15     ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-10 15:03 ` [PATCH 2 of 3 v4/leftover] libxl: have NUMA placement deal with cpupools Dario Faggioli
2012-07-10 15:03 ` [PATCH 3 of 3 v4/leftover] Some automatic NUMA placement documentation Dario Faggioli
2012-07-16 17:03 ` [PATCH 0 of 3 v4/leftover] Automatic NUMA placement for xl Dario Faggioli

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