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From: JeffleXu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	virtio-fs-list <virtio-fs@redhat.com>,
	Joseph Qi <joseph.qi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Liu Bo <bo.liu@linux.alibaba.com>
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 0/8] fuse,virtiofs: support per-file DAX
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 11:06:34 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5bcf1be7-49b5-d032-3bcf-fcdf7b28b88b@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <299689e9-bdeb-a715-3f31-8c70369cf0ba@linux.alibaba.com>

Hi Vivek, Miklos,

On 9/16/21 4:21 PM, JeffleXu wrote:
> Hi, I add some performance statistics below.
> 
> 
> On 8/17/21 8:40 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:32:14AM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
>>> * Miklos Szeredi (miklos@szeredi.hu) wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 04:22, Jeffle Xu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This patchset adds support of per-file DAX for virtiofs, which is
>>>>> inspired by Ira Weiny's work on ext4[1] and xfs[2].
>>>>
>>>> Can you please explain the background of this change in detail?
>>>>
>>>> Why would an admin want to enable DAX for a particular virtiofs file
>>>> and not for others?
>>>
>>> Where we're contending on virtiofs dax cache size it makes a lot of
>>> sense; it's quite expensive for us to map something into the cache
>>> (especially if we push something else out), so selectively DAXing files
>>> that are expected to be hot could help reduce cache churn.
> 
> Yes, the performance of dax can be limited when the DAX window is
> limited, where dax window may be contended by multiple files.
> 
> I tested kernel compiling in virtiofs, emulating the scenario where a
> lot of files contending dax window and triggering dax window reclaiming.
> 
> Environment setup:
> - guest vCPU: 16
> - time make vmlinux -j128
> 
> type    | cache  | cache-size | time
> ------- | ------ | ---------- | ----
> non-dax | always |   --       | real 2m48.119s
> dax     | always | 64M        | real 4m49.563s
> dax     | always |   1G       | real 3m14.200s
> dax     | always |   4G       | real 2m41.141s
> 
> 
> It can be seen that there's performance drop, comparing to the normal
> buffered IO, when dax window resource is restricted and dax window
> relcaiming is triggered. The smaller the cache size is, the worse the
> performance is. The performance drop can be alleviated and eliminated as
> cache size increases.
> 
> Though we may not compile kernel in virtiofs, indeed we may access a lot
> of small files in virtiofs and suffer this performance drop.
> 
> 
>> In that case probaly we should just make DAX window larger. I assume
> 
> Yes, as the DAX window gets larger, it is less likely that we can run
> short of dax window resource.
> 
> However it doesn't come without cost. 'struct page' descriptor for dax
> window will consume guest memory at a ratio of ~1.5% (64/4096 = ~1.5%,
> page descriptor is of 64 bytes size, assuming 4K sized page). That is,
> every 1GB cache size will cost 16MB guest memory. As the cache size
> increases, the memory footprint for page descriptors also increases,
> which may offset the benefit of dax by eliminating guest page cache.
> 
> In summary, per-file dax feature tries to achieve a balance between
> performance and memory overhead, by offering a finer gained control for
> dax to users.
> 

I'm not sure if this is adequate for introducing per-file dax feature to
community? Need some feedback from the community.

And if that's the case, I also want to know if setting/clearing S_DAX
inside guest is needed, since in our internal using scenario, setting
S_DAX from host daemon is adequate. If setting/clearing S_DAX inside
guest can be omitted then, the negotiation during FUSE_INIT phase is not
needed either. After all we could completely rely on the FUSE_ATTR_DAX
flag feeded by host daemon to see if dax shall be enabled or not for
corresponding file. The whole patch set will also be somehow simper then.


-- 
Thanks,
Jeffle

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From: JeffleXu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: virtio-fs-list <virtio-fs@redhat.com>,
	Joseph Qi <joseph.qi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Liu Bo <bo.liu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 0/8] fuse,virtiofs: support per-file DAX
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 11:06:34 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5bcf1be7-49b5-d032-3bcf-fcdf7b28b88b@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <299689e9-bdeb-a715-3f31-8c70369cf0ba@linux.alibaba.com>

Hi Vivek, Miklos,

On 9/16/21 4:21 PM, JeffleXu wrote:
> Hi, I add some performance statistics below.
> 
> 
> On 8/17/21 8:40 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:32:14AM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
>>> * Miklos Szeredi (miklos@szeredi.hu) wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 04:22, Jeffle Xu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This patchset adds support of per-file DAX for virtiofs, which is
>>>>> inspired by Ira Weiny's work on ext4[1] and xfs[2].
>>>>
>>>> Can you please explain the background of this change in detail?
>>>>
>>>> Why would an admin want to enable DAX for a particular virtiofs file
>>>> and not for others?
>>>
>>> Where we're contending on virtiofs dax cache size it makes a lot of
>>> sense; it's quite expensive for us to map something into the cache
>>> (especially if we push something else out), so selectively DAXing files
>>> that are expected to be hot could help reduce cache churn.
> 
> Yes, the performance of dax can be limited when the DAX window is
> limited, where dax window may be contended by multiple files.
> 
> I tested kernel compiling in virtiofs, emulating the scenario where a
> lot of files contending dax window and triggering dax window reclaiming.
> 
> Environment setup:
> - guest vCPU: 16
> - time make vmlinux -j128
> 
> type    | cache  | cache-size | time
> ------- | ------ | ---------- | ----
> non-dax | always |   --       | real 2m48.119s
> dax     | always | 64M        | real 4m49.563s
> dax     | always |   1G       | real 3m14.200s
> dax     | always |   4G       | real 2m41.141s
> 
> 
> It can be seen that there's performance drop, comparing to the normal
> buffered IO, when dax window resource is restricted and dax window
> relcaiming is triggered. The smaller the cache size is, the worse the
> performance is. The performance drop can be alleviated and eliminated as
> cache size increases.
> 
> Though we may not compile kernel in virtiofs, indeed we may access a lot
> of small files in virtiofs and suffer this performance drop.
> 
> 
>> In that case probaly we should just make DAX window larger. I assume
> 
> Yes, as the DAX window gets larger, it is less likely that we can run
> short of dax window resource.
> 
> However it doesn't come without cost. 'struct page' descriptor for dax
> window will consume guest memory at a ratio of ~1.5% (64/4096 = ~1.5%,
> page descriptor is of 64 bytes size, assuming 4K sized page). That is,
> every 1GB cache size will cost 16MB guest memory. As the cache size
> increases, the memory footprint for page descriptors also increases,
> which may offset the benefit of dax by eliminating guest page cache.
> 
> In summary, per-file dax feature tries to achieve a balance between
> performance and memory overhead, by offering a finer gained control for
> dax to users.
> 

I'm not sure if this is adequate for introducing per-file dax feature to
community? Need some feedback from the community.

And if that's the case, I also want to know if setting/clearing S_DAX
inside guest is needed, since in our internal using scenario, setting
S_DAX from host daemon is adequate. If setting/clearing S_DAX inside
guest can be omitted then, the negotiation during FUSE_INIT phase is not
needed either. After all we could completely rely on the FUSE_ATTR_DAX
flag feeded by host daemon to see if dax shall be enabled or not for
corresponding file. The whole patch set will also be somehow simper then.


-- 
Thanks,
Jeffle
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From: JeffleXu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: virtio-fs-list <virtio-fs@redhat.com>,
	Joseph Qi <joseph.qi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v4 0/8] fuse,virtiofs: support per-file DAX
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2021 11:06:34 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5bcf1be7-49b5-d032-3bcf-fcdf7b28b88b@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <299689e9-bdeb-a715-3f31-8c70369cf0ba@linux.alibaba.com>

Hi Vivek, Miklos,

On 9/16/21 4:21 PM, JeffleXu wrote:
> Hi, I add some performance statistics below.
> 
> 
> On 8/17/21 8:40 PM, Vivek Goyal wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:32:14AM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
>>> * Miklos Szeredi (miklos@szeredi.hu) wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 04:22, Jeffle Xu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This patchset adds support of per-file DAX for virtiofs, which is
>>>>> inspired by Ira Weiny's work on ext4[1] and xfs[2].
>>>>
>>>> Can you please explain the background of this change in detail?
>>>>
>>>> Why would an admin want to enable DAX for a particular virtiofs file
>>>> and not for others?
>>>
>>> Where we're contending on virtiofs dax cache size it makes a lot of
>>> sense; it's quite expensive for us to map something into the cache
>>> (especially if we push something else out), so selectively DAXing files
>>> that are expected to be hot could help reduce cache churn.
> 
> Yes, the performance of dax can be limited when the DAX window is
> limited, where dax window may be contended by multiple files.
> 
> I tested kernel compiling in virtiofs, emulating the scenario where a
> lot of files contending dax window and triggering dax window reclaiming.
> 
> Environment setup:
> - guest vCPU: 16
> - time make vmlinux -j128
> 
> type    | cache  | cache-size | time
> ------- | ------ | ---------- | ----
> non-dax | always |   --       | real 2m48.119s
> dax     | always | 64M        | real 4m49.563s
> dax     | always |   1G       | real 3m14.200s
> dax     | always |   4G       | real 2m41.141s
> 
> 
> It can be seen that there's performance drop, comparing to the normal
> buffered IO, when dax window resource is restricted and dax window
> relcaiming is triggered. The smaller the cache size is, the worse the
> performance is. The performance drop can be alleviated and eliminated as
> cache size increases.
> 
> Though we may not compile kernel in virtiofs, indeed we may access a lot
> of small files in virtiofs and suffer this performance drop.
> 
> 
>> In that case probaly we should just make DAX window larger. I assume
> 
> Yes, as the DAX window gets larger, it is less likely that we can run
> short of dax window resource.
> 
> However it doesn't come without cost. 'struct page' descriptor for dax
> window will consume guest memory at a ratio of ~1.5% (64/4096 = ~1.5%,
> page descriptor is of 64 bytes size, assuming 4K sized page). That is,
> every 1GB cache size will cost 16MB guest memory. As the cache size
> increases, the memory footprint for page descriptors also increases,
> which may offset the benefit of dax by eliminating guest page cache.
> 
> In summary, per-file dax feature tries to achieve a balance between
> performance and memory overhead, by offering a finer gained control for
> dax to users.
> 

I'm not sure if this is adequate for introducing per-file dax feature to
community? Need some feedback from the community.

And if that's the case, I also want to know if setting/clearing S_DAX
inside guest is needed, since in our internal using scenario, setting
S_DAX from host daemon is adequate. If setting/clearing S_DAX inside
guest can be omitted then, the negotiation during FUSE_INIT phase is not
needed either. After all we could completely rely on the FUSE_ATTR_DAX
flag feeded by host daemon to see if dax shall be enabled or not for
corresponding file. The whole patch set will also be somehow simper then.


-- 
Thanks,
Jeffle


  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-18  3:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-17  2:22 [PATCH v4 0/8] fuse,virtiofs: support per-file DAX Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22 ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22 ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22 ` [PATCH v4 1/8] fuse: add fuse_should_enable_dax() helper Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22 ` [PATCH v4 2/8] fuse: Make DAX mount option a tri-state Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22 ` [PATCH v4 3/8] fuse: support per-file DAX Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22 ` [PATCH v4 4/8] fuse: negotiate if server/client supports " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22 ` [PATCH v4 5/8] fuse: enable " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22 ` [PATCH v4 6/8] fuse: mark inode DONT_CACHE when per-file DAX indication changes Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17 10:26   ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 10:26     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 10:26     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 13:23     ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17 13:23       ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17 13:23       ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17  2:22 ` [PATCH v4 7/8] fuse: support changing per-file DAX flag inside guest Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22 ` [PATCH v4 8/8] fuse: show '-o dax=inode' option only when FUSE server supports Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:22   ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23 ` [virtiofsd PATCH v4 0/4] virtiofsd: support per-file DAX Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23   ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23   ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23   ` [virtiofsd PATCH v4 1/4] virtiofsd: add .ioctl() support Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23     ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23     ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-18 17:33     ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-18 17:33       ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2021-08-18 17:33       ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17  2:23   ` [virtiofsd PATCH v4 2/4] virtiofsd: expand fuse protocol to support per-file DAX Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23     ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23     ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23   ` [virtiofsd PATCH v4 3/4] virtiofsd: support per-file DAX negotiation in FUSE_INIT Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23     ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23     ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17 17:15     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 17:15       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 17:15       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18  5:28       ` JeffleXu
2021-08-18  5:28         ` JeffleXu
2021-08-18  5:28         ` JeffleXu
2021-08-19 13:57         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-19 13:57           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-19 13:57           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 17:30       ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-18 17:30         ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-18 17:30         ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17  2:23   ` [virtiofsd PATCH v4 4/4] virtiofsd: support per-file DAX in FUSE_LOOKUP Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23     ` [Virtio-fs] " Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17  2:23     ` Jeffle Xu
2021-08-17 19:00     ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 19:00       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 19:00       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18  5:46       ` JeffleXu
2021-08-18  5:46         ` JeffleXu
2021-08-18  5:46         ` JeffleXu
2021-08-19 13:08         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-19 13:08           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-19 13:08           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-20  5:03           ` JeffleXu
2021-08-20  5:03             ` JeffleXu
2021-08-20  5:03             ` JeffleXu
2021-08-24 10:15             ` Greg Kurz
2021-08-24 10:15               ` Greg Kurz
2021-08-24 10:15               ` Greg Kurz
2021-09-08 10:34               ` JeffleXu
2021-09-08 10:34                 ` JeffleXu
2021-09-08 10:34                 ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17  8:06 ` [PATCH v4 0/8] fuse,virtiofs: support per-file DAX Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-17  8:06   ` [Virtio-fs] " Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-17  9:32   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17  9:32     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17  9:32     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 10:09     ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-17 10:09       ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-17 10:37       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 10:37         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 10:37         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 13:08       ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17 13:08         ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17 13:08         ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17 14:11         ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-17 14:11           ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-17 15:19           ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 15:19             ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 15:19             ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 14:54         ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 14:54           ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 14:54           ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-18  5:10           ` JeffleXu
2021-08-18  5:10             ` JeffleXu
2021-08-18  5:10             ` JeffleXu
2021-08-19  6:14           ` JeffleXu
2021-08-19  6:14             ` JeffleXu
2021-08-19  6:14             ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17 12:40     ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 12:40       ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 12:40       ` Vivek Goyal
2021-09-16  8:21       ` JeffleXu
2021-09-16  8:21         ` JeffleXu
2021-09-16  8:21         ` JeffleXu
2021-09-18  3:06         ` JeffleXu [this message]
2021-09-18  3:06           ` JeffleXu
2021-09-18  3:06           ` JeffleXu
2021-09-19 19:45         ` Vivek Goyal
2021-09-19 19:45           ` Vivek Goyal
2021-09-19 19:45           ` Vivek Goyal
2021-09-22  8:16           ` JeffleXu
2021-09-22  8:16             ` JeffleXu
2021-09-22  8:16             ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17 12:39   ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 12:39     ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 12:39     ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 13:22     ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17 13:22       ` [Virtio-fs] " JeffleXu
2021-08-17 13:22       ` JeffleXu
2021-08-17 14:08       ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-17 14:08         ` [Virtio-fs] " Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-18  3:39         ` JeffleXu
2021-08-18  3:39           ` [Virtio-fs] " JeffleXu
2021-08-18  3:39           ` JeffleXu
2021-08-18  5:08           ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-18  5:08             ` [Virtio-fs] " Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-18 16:58             ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-18 16:58               ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2021-08-18 16:58               ` Vivek Goyal
2021-09-03  5:30         ` JeffleXu
2021-09-03  5:30           ` [Virtio-fs] " JeffleXu
2021-09-03  5:30           ` JeffleXu
2021-09-07 14:51           ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-09-07 14:51             ` [Virtio-fs] " Miklos Szeredi
2021-08-17 14:57       ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 14:57         ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2021-08-17 14:57         ` Vivek Goyal
2021-08-18  5:20         ` JeffleXu
2021-08-18  5:20           ` [Virtio-fs] " JeffleXu
2021-08-18  5:20           ` JeffleXu
2021-08-30 23:31         ` [Virtio-fs] " Liu Bo

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