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From: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <f4bug@amsat.org>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: peter.maydell@linaro.org, bin.meng@windriver.com,
	mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	sundeep.lkml@gmail.com, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
	andrew.smirnov@gmail.com, hskinnemoen@google.com, joel@jms.id.au,
	atar4qemu@gmail.com, alistair@alistair23.me, b.galvani@gmail.com,
	nieklinnenbank@gmail.com, qemu-arm@nongnu.org, clg@kaod.org,
	kwolf@redhat.com, qemu-riscv@nongnu.org, andrew@aj.id.au,
	Andrew.Baumann@microsoft.com, jcd@tribudubois.net,
	kfting@nuvoton.com, hreitz@redhat.com, palmer@dabbelt.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 2/2] hw: Replace drive_get_next() by drive_get()
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 22:15:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b18519f7-7198-0965-a528-2d1a45c7c93c@amsat.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf1pfm2z.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On 11/15/21 16:57, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <f4bug@amsat.org> writes:
>> On 11/15/21 13:55, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>>> drive_get_next() is basically a bad idea.  It returns the "next" block
>>> backend of a certain interface type.  "Next" means bus=0,unit=N, where
>>> subsequent calls count N up from zero, per interface type.
>>>
>>> This lets you define unit numbers implicitly by execution order.  If the
>>> order changes, or new calls appear "in the middle", unit numbers change.
>>> ABI break.  Hard to spot in review.
>>>
>>> Explicit is better than implicit: use drive_get() directly.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
>>> ---

>>> @@ -435,11 +438,13 @@ static void aspeed_machine_init(MachineState *machine)
>>>      }
>>>  
>>>      for (i = 0; i < bmc->soc.sdhci.num_slots; i++) {
>>> -        sdhci_attach_drive(&bmc->soc.sdhci.slots[i], drive_get_next(IF_SD));
>>> +        sdhci_attach_drive(&bmc->soc.sdhci.slots[i],
>>> +                           drive_get(IF_SD, 0, i));
>>
>> If we put SD on bus #0, ...
>>
>>>      }
>>>  
>>>      if (bmc->soc.emmc.num_slots) {
>>> -        sdhci_attach_drive(&bmc->soc.emmc.slots[0], drive_get_next(IF_SD));
>>> +        sdhci_attach_drive(&bmc->soc.emmc.slots[0],
>>> +                           drive_get(IF_SD, 0, bmc->soc.sdhci.num_slots));
>>
>> ... we'd want to put eMMC on bus #1
> 
> Using separate buses for different kinds of devices would be neater, but
> it also would be an incompatible change.  This patch keeps existing
> bus/unit numbers working.  drive_get_next() can only use bus 0.
> 
>>                                      but I see having eMMC cards on a
>> IF_SD bus as a bug, since these cards are soldered on the board.
> 
> IF_SD is not a bus, it's an "block interface type", which is really just
> a user interface thing.

Why are we discriminating by "block interface type" then?

What is the difference between "block interfaces"? I see a block drive
as a generic unit, usable on multiple hardware devices.

I never really understood how this "block interface type" helps
developers and users. I thought BlockInterfaceType and DriveInfo
were legacy / deprecated APIs we want to get rid of; and we would
come up with a replacement API using BlockDeviceInfo or providing
a BlockFrontend state of the art object.
Anyway, I suppose the explanation is buried in the git history
before the last 8 years. I need to keep reading.


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From: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <f4bug@amsat.org>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: peter.maydell@linaro.org, bin.meng@windriver.com,
	mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	jcd@tribudubois.net, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
	andrew.smirnov@gmail.com, hskinnemoen@google.com, joel@jms.id.au,
	atar4qemu@gmail.com, alistair@alistair23.me, b.galvani@gmail.com,
	nieklinnenbank@gmail.com, qemu-arm@nongnu.org, clg@kaod.org,
	kwolf@redhat.com, qemu-riscv@nongnu.org, andrew@aj.id.au,
	Andrew.Baumann@microsoft.com, sundeep.lkml@gmail.com,
	kfting@nuvoton.com, hreitz@redhat.com, palmer@dabbelt.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 2/2] hw: Replace drive_get_next() by drive_get()
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 22:15:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b18519f7-7198-0965-a528-2d1a45c7c93c@amsat.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf1pfm2z.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On 11/15/21 16:57, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <f4bug@amsat.org> writes:
>> On 11/15/21 13:55, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>>> drive_get_next() is basically a bad idea.  It returns the "next" block
>>> backend of a certain interface type.  "Next" means bus=0,unit=N, where
>>> subsequent calls count N up from zero, per interface type.
>>>
>>> This lets you define unit numbers implicitly by execution order.  If the
>>> order changes, or new calls appear "in the middle", unit numbers change.
>>> ABI break.  Hard to spot in review.
>>>
>>> Explicit is better than implicit: use drive_get() directly.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
>>> ---

>>> @@ -435,11 +438,13 @@ static void aspeed_machine_init(MachineState *machine)
>>>      }
>>>  
>>>      for (i = 0; i < bmc->soc.sdhci.num_slots; i++) {
>>> -        sdhci_attach_drive(&bmc->soc.sdhci.slots[i], drive_get_next(IF_SD));
>>> +        sdhci_attach_drive(&bmc->soc.sdhci.slots[i],
>>> +                           drive_get(IF_SD, 0, i));
>>
>> If we put SD on bus #0, ...
>>
>>>      }
>>>  
>>>      if (bmc->soc.emmc.num_slots) {
>>> -        sdhci_attach_drive(&bmc->soc.emmc.slots[0], drive_get_next(IF_SD));
>>> +        sdhci_attach_drive(&bmc->soc.emmc.slots[0],
>>> +                           drive_get(IF_SD, 0, bmc->soc.sdhci.num_slots));
>>
>> ... we'd want to put eMMC on bus #1
> 
> Using separate buses for different kinds of devices would be neater, but
> it also would be an incompatible change.  This patch keeps existing
> bus/unit numbers working.  drive_get_next() can only use bus 0.
> 
>>                                      but I see having eMMC cards on a
>> IF_SD bus as a bug, since these cards are soldered on the board.
> 
> IF_SD is not a bus, it's an "block interface type", which is really just
> a user interface thing.

Why are we discriminating by "block interface type" then?

What is the difference between "block interfaces"? I see a block drive
as a generic unit, usable on multiple hardware devices.

I never really understood how this "block interface type" helps
developers and users. I thought BlockInterfaceType and DriveInfo
were legacy / deprecated APIs we want to get rid of; and we would
come up with a replacement API using BlockDeviceInfo or providing
a BlockFrontend state of the art object.
Anyway, I suppose the explanation is buried in the git history
before the last 8 years. I need to keep reading.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-15 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-15 12:55 [PATCH RFC 0/2] Eliminate drive_get_next() Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 12:55 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 12:55 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] hw/sd/ssi-sd: Do not create SD card within controller's realize Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 12:55   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 13:40   ` Peter Maydell
2021-11-15 13:40     ` Peter Maydell
2021-11-15 13:48     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 13:48       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 12:55 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] hw: Replace drive_get_next() by drive_get() Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 12:55   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 13:38   ` Peter Maydell
2021-11-15 13:38     ` Peter Maydell
2021-11-15 13:48     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 13:48       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 13:59   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-11-15 13:59     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-11-15 15:57     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 15:57       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 21:15       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé [this message]
2021-11-15 21:15         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-11-16  7:47         ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-16  7:47           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-16  8:52       ` Cédric Le Goater
2021-11-16  8:52         ` Cédric Le Goater
2021-11-16  9:29         ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-16  9:29           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-16 12:14           ` Cédric Le Goater
2021-11-16 12:14             ` Cédric Le Goater
2021-11-15 14:05 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] Eliminate drive_get_next() Peter Maydell
2021-11-15 14:05   ` Peter Maydell
2021-11-15 16:01   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-11-15 16:01     ` Markus Armbruster

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