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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
Cc: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net,
	kpsingh@kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 0/8] New BPF map and BTF security LSM hooks
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 10:47:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6436eea2.170a0220.97ead.52a8@mx.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhQHmdZYnR=+rX-3FcRh127mhJt=jAnototfTiuSoOTptg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:49:06PM -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:33 AM Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > Add new LSM hooks, bpf_map_create_security and bpf_btf_load_security, which
> > are meant to allow highly-granular LSM-based control over the usage of BPF
> > subsytem. Specifically, to control the creation of BPF maps and BTF data
> > objects, which are fundamental building blocks of any modern BPF application.
> >
> > These new hooks are able to override default kernel-side CAP_BPF-based (and
> > sometimes CAP_NET_ADMIN-based) permission checks. It is now possible to
> > implement LSM policies that could granularly enforce more restrictions on
> > a per-BPF map basis (beyond checking coarse CAP_BPF/CAP_NET_ADMIN
> > capabilities), but also, importantly, allow to *bypass kernel-side
> > enforcement* of CAP_BPF/CAP_NET_ADMIN checks for trusted applications and use
> > cases.
> 
> One of the hallmarks of the LSM has always been that it is
> non-authoritative: it cannot unilaterally grant access, it can only
> restrict what would have been otherwise permitted on a traditional
> Linux system.  Put another way, a LSM should not undermine the Linux
> discretionary access controls, e.g. capabilities.
> 
> If there is a problem with the eBPF capability-based access controls,
> that problem needs to be addressed in how the core eBPF code
> implements its capability checks, not by modifying the LSM mechanism
> to bypass these checks.

I think semantics matter here. I wouldn't view this as _bypassing_
capability enforcement: it's just more fine-grained access control.

For example, in many places we have things like:

	if (!some_check(...) && !capable(...))
		return -EPERM;

I would expect this is a similar logic. An operation can succeed if the
access control requirement is met. The mismatch we have through-out the
kernel is that capability checks aren't strictly done by LSM hooks. And
this series conceptually, I think, doesn't violate that -- it's changing
the logic of the capability checks, not the LSM (i.e. there no LSM hooks
yet here).

The reason CAP_BPF was created was because there was nothing else that
would be fine-grained enough at the time.

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-12 17:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-12  4:32 [PATCH bpf-next 0/8] New BPF map and BTF security LSM hooks Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12  4:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next 1/8] bpf: move unprivileged checks into map_create() and bpf_prog_load() Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12 17:49   ` Kees Cook
2023-04-13  0:22     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12  4:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next 2/8] bpf: inline map creation logic in map_create() function Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12 17:53   ` Kees Cook
2023-04-13  0:22     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12  4:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next 3/8] bpf: centralize permissions checks for all BPF map types Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12 18:01   ` Kees Cook
2023-04-13  0:23     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12  4:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next 4/8] bpf, lsm: implement bpf_map_create_security LSM hook Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12 18:20   ` Kees Cook
2023-04-13  0:23     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12  4:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next 5/8] selftests/bpf: validate new " Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12 18:23   ` Kees Cook
2023-04-13  0:23     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12  4:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next 6/8] bpf: drop unnecessary bpf_capable() check in BPF_MAP_FREEZE command Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12 18:24   ` Kees Cook
2023-04-13  0:17     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12  4:32 ` [PATCH bpf-next 7/8] bpf, lsm: implement bpf_btf_load_security LSM hook Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12 16:52   ` Paul Moore
2023-04-13  1:43     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-13  2:47       ` Paul Moore
2023-04-12  4:33 ` [PATCH bpf-next 8/8] selftests/bpf: enhance lsm_map_create test with BTF LSM control Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-12 16:49 ` [PATCH bpf-next 0/8] New BPF map and BTF security LSM hooks Paul Moore
2023-04-12 17:47   ` Kees Cook [this message]
2023-04-12 18:06     ` Paul Moore
2023-04-12 18:28       ` Kees Cook
2023-04-12 19:06         ` Paul Moore
2023-04-13  1:43           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-13  2:56             ` Paul Moore
2023-04-13  5:16               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-13 15:11                 ` Paul Moore
2023-04-17 23:29                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-18  0:47                     ` Casey Schaufler
2023-04-21  0:00                       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-18 14:21                     ` Paul Moore
2023-04-21  0:00                       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-21 18:57                         ` Kees Cook
2023-04-13 16:54                 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-04-17 23:31                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-13 19:03                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2023-04-17 23:28                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-13 16:27             ` Casey Schaufler
2023-04-17 23:31               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-17 23:53                 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-04-18  0:28                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-18  0:52                     ` Casey Schaufler
2023-04-12 18:38       ` Casey Schaufler
2023-04-14 20:23     ` Dr. Greg
2023-04-17 23:31       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2023-04-19 10:53         ` Dr. Greg

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