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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	devel@ovirt.org, openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org,
	libvir-list@redhat.com, intel-gvt-dev@lists.freedesktop.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, smooney@redhat.com,
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	corbet@lwn.net, kwankhede@nvidia.com, dgilbert@redhat.com,
	eauger@redhat.com, jian-feng.ding@intel.com, hejie.xu@intel.com,
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	bao.yumeng@zte.com.cn, xin-ran.wang@intel.com,
	shaohe.feng@intel.com
Subject: Re: device compatibility interface for live migration with assigned devices
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:16:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200715091641.GD68910@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200714144715.0ef70074@x1.home>

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 02:47:15PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:47:22 +0100
> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> wrote:

> > I'm sure OpenStack maintainers can speak to this more, as they've put
> > alot of work into their scheduling engine to optimize the way it places
> > VMs largely driven from simple structured data reported from hosts.
> 
> I think we've weeded out that our intended approach is not worthwhile,
> testing a compatibility string at a device is too much overhead, we
> need to provide enough information to the management engine to predict
> the response without interaction beyond the initial capability probing.

Just to clarify in case people mis-interpreted my POV...

I think that testing a compatibility string at a device *is* useful, as
it allows for a final accurate safety check to be performed before the
migration stream starts. Libvirt could use that reasonably easily I
believe.

It just isn't sufficient for a complete solution.

In parallel with the device level test in sysfs, we need something else
to support the host placement selection problems in an efficient way, as
you are trying to address in the remainder of your mail.


Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-15  9:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-13 23:29 device compatibility interface for live migration with assigned devices Yan Zhao
2020-07-14 10:21 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-14 12:33   ` Sean Mooney
     [not found]     ` <20200714110148.0471c03c@x1.home>
     [not found]       ` <eb705c72cdc8b6b8959b6ebaeeac6069a718d524.camel@redhat.com>
2020-07-14 21:15         ` Sean Mooney
2020-07-14 16:16   ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-14 16:47     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-14 20:47       ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-15  9:16         ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2020-07-14 17:19     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-14 20:59       ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-15  8:20         ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-15  8:49           ` Feng, Shaohe
2020-07-17 14:59           ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-17 18:03             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-17 18:30               ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-15  8:23         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
     [not found]         ` <CAH7mGatPWsczh_rbVhx4a+psJXvkZgKou3r5HrEQTqE7SqZkKA@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-17 15:18           ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-16  4:16 ` Jason Wang
2020-07-16  8:32   ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-16  9:30     ` Jason Wang
2020-07-17 16:12     ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-20  3:41       ` Jason Wang
2020-07-20 10:39         ` Sean Mooney
2020-07-21  2:11           ` Jason Wang
2020-07-21  0:51       ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-27  7:24         ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-27 22:23           ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-29  8:05             ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-29 11:28               ` Sean Mooney
2020-07-29 19:12                 ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-30  3:41                   ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-30 13:24                     ` Sean Mooney
2020-07-30 17:29                     ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-04  8:37                       ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-05  9:44                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-30  1:56                 ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-30 13:14                   ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-04 16:35               ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-05  2:22                 ` Jason Wang
2020-08-05  2:16                   ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-05  2:41                     ` Jason Wang
2020-08-05  7:56                       ` Jiri Pirko
2020-08-05  8:02                         ` Jason Wang
2020-08-05  9:33                           ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-05 10:53                             ` Jiri Pirko
2020-08-05 11:35                               ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-07 11:59                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-13 15:33                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-13 19:02                                     ` Eric Farman
2020-08-17  6:38                                       ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-10  7:46                               ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-13  4:24                                 ` Jason Wang
2020-08-14  5:16                                   ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-14 12:30                                     ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-17  1:52                                       ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-18  3:24                                     ` Jason Wang
2020-08-18  8:55                                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-18  9:06                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-18  9:24                                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-18  9:38                                             ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found]                                         ` <3a073222-dcfe-c02d-198b-29f6a507b2e1@redhat.com>
2020-08-18  9:16                                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-18  9:36                                             ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-18  9:39                                               ` Parav Pandit
2020-08-19  3:30                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-19  5:58                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2020-08-19  9:41                                                     ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19  6:57                                                   ` [ovirt-devel] " Jason Wang
2020-08-19  6:59                                                     ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-19  7:39                                                       ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19  8:13                                                         ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-19  9:28                                                           ` Jason Wang
2020-08-20 12:27                                                             ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-21  3:14                                                               ` Jason Wang
2020-08-21 14:52                                                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-31  3:07                                                                   ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19 17:50                                                   ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-20  0:18                                                     ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-20  3:13                                                       ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-20  3:09                                                         ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-19  2:54                                               ` Jason Wang
2020-08-20  0:39                                               ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-20  1:29                                                 ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-20  4:01                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-20  5:16                                                     ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-20  6:27                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-20 13:24                                                         ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-26  8:54                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-20  3:22                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-20  3:16                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-25 14:39                                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-26  6:41                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-28 13:47                                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-28 14:04                                                           ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-31  4:43                                                             ` Yan Zhao
2020-09-08 14:41                                                               ` Cornelia Huck
2020-09-09  2:13                                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2020-09-10 12:38                                                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-09-10 12:50                                                                     ` Sean Mooney
2020-09-10 18:02                                                                       ` Alex Williamson
2020-09-11  0:56                                                                         ` Yan Zhao
2020-09-11 10:08                                                                           ` Cornelia Huck
2020-09-11 10:18                                                                             ` Tian, Kevin
2020-09-11 16:51                                                                           ` Alex Williamson
2020-09-14 13:48                                                                             ` Zeng, Xin
2020-09-14 14:44                                                                               ` Alex Williamson
2020-09-09  5:37                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-31  2:23                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-19  2:38                                             ` Jason Wang
2020-08-18  9:32                                           ` Parav Pandit
2020-08-19  2:45                                             ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19  5:26                                               ` Parav Pandit
2020-08-19  6:48                                                 ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19  6:53                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2020-07-29 19:05             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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