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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Sean Mooney <smooney@redhat.com>
Cc: Jiri Pirko <jiri@mellanox.com>, Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, libvir-list@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kwankhede@nvidia.com, eauger@redhat.com,
	xin-ran.wang@intel.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org, shaohe.feng@intel.com,
	kevin.tian@intel.com, eskultet@redhat.com,
	jian-feng.ding@intel.com, dgilbert@redhat.com,
	zhenyuw@linux.intel.com, hejie.xu@intel.com,
	bao.yumeng@zte.com.cn, intel-gvt-dev@lists.freedesktop.org,
	berrange@redhat.com, dinechin@redhat.com, devel@ovirt.org,
	Parav Pandit <parav@mellanox.com>,
	Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: device compatibility interface for live migration with assigned devices
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:33:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200813173347.239801fa.cohuck@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200807135942.5d56a202.cohuck@redhat.com>

On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 13:59:42 +0200
Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 05 Aug 2020 12:35:01 +0100
> Sean Mooney <smooney@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 12:53 +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:  
> > > Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 11:33:38AM CEST, yan.y.zhao@intel.com wrote:    
> 
> (...)
> 
> > > >    software_version: device driver's version.
> > > >               in <major>.<minor>[.bugfix] scheme, where there is no
> > > > 	       compatibility across major versions, minor versions have
> > > > 	       forward compatibility (ex. 1-> 2 is ok, 2 -> 1 is not) and
> > > > 	       bugfix version number indicates some degree of internal
> > > > 	       improvement that is not visible to the user in terms of
> > > > 	       features or compatibility,
> > > > 
> > > > vendor specific attributes: each vendor may define different attributes
> > > >   device id : device id of a physical devices or mdev's parent pci device.
> > > >               it could be equal to pci id for pci devices
> > > >   aggregator: used together with mdev_type. e.g. aggregator=2 together
> > > >               with i915-GVTg_V5_4 means 2*1/4=1/2 of a gen9 Intel
> > > > 	       graphics device.
> > > >   remote_url: for a local NVMe VF, it may be configured with a remote
> > > >               url of a remote storage and all data is stored in the
> > > > 	       remote side specified by the remote url.
> > > >   ...    
> > just a minor not that i find ^ much more simmple to understand then
> > the current proposal with self and compatiable.
> > if i have well defiend attibute that i can parse and understand that allow
> > me to calulate the what is and is not compatible that is likely going to
> > more useful as you wont have to keep maintianing a list of other compatible
> > devices every time a new sku is released.
> > 
> > in anycase thank for actully shareing ^ as it make it simpler to reson about what
> > you have previously proposed.  
> 
> So, what would be the most helpful format? A 'software_version' field
> that follows the conventions outlined above, and other (possibly
> optional) fields that have to match?

Just to get a different perspective, I've been trying to come up with
what would be useful for a very different kind of device, namely
vfio-ccw. (Adding Eric to cc: for that.)

software_version makes sense for everybody, so it should be a standard
attribute.

For the vfio-ccw type, we have only one vendor driver (vfio-ccw_IO).

Given a subchannel A, we want to make sure that subchannel B has a
reasonable chance of being compatible. I guess that means:

- same subchannel type (I/O)
- same chpid type (e.g. all FICON; I assume there are no 'mixed' setups
  -- Eric?)
- same number of chpids? Maybe we can live without that and just inject
  some machine checks, I don't know. Same chpid numbers is something we
  cannot guarantee, especially if we want to migrate cross-CEC (to
  another machine.)

Other possibly interesting information is not available at the
subchannel level (vfio-ccw is a subchannel driver.)

So, looking at a concrete subchannel on one of my machines, it would
look something like the following:

<common>
software_version=1.0.0
type=vfio-ccw          <-- would be vfio-pci on the example above
<vfio-ccw specific>
subchannel_type=0
<vfio-ccw_IO specific>
chpid_type=0x1a
chpid_mask=0xf0        <-- not sure if needed/wanted

Does that make sense?


  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-13 15:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-13 23:29 device compatibility interface for live migration with assigned devices Yan Zhao
2020-07-14 10:21 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-14 12:33   ` Sean Mooney
     [not found]     ` <20200714110148.0471c03c@x1.home>
     [not found]       ` <eb705c72cdc8b6b8959b6ebaeeac6069a718d524.camel@redhat.com>
2020-07-14 21:15         ` Sean Mooney
2020-07-14 16:16   ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-14 16:47     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-14 20:47       ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-15  9:16         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-07-14 17:19     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-14 20:59       ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-15  8:20         ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-15  8:49           ` Feng, Shaohe
2020-07-17 14:59           ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-17 18:03             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-17 18:30               ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-15  8:23         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
     [not found]         ` <CAH7mGatPWsczh_rbVhx4a+psJXvkZgKou3r5HrEQTqE7SqZkKA@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-17 15:18           ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-16  4:16 ` Jason Wang
2020-07-16  8:32   ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-16  9:30     ` Jason Wang
2020-07-17 16:12     ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-20  3:41       ` Jason Wang
2020-07-20 10:39         ` Sean Mooney
2020-07-21  2:11           ` Jason Wang
2020-07-21  0:51       ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-27  7:24         ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-27 22:23           ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-29  8:05             ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-29 11:28               ` Sean Mooney
2020-07-29 19:12                 ` Alex Williamson
2020-07-30  3:41                   ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-30 13:24                     ` Sean Mooney
2020-07-30 17:29                     ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-04  8:37                       ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-05  9:44                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-07-30  1:56                 ` Yan Zhao
2020-07-30 13:14                   ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-04 16:35               ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-05  2:22                 ` Jason Wang
2020-08-05  2:16                   ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-05  2:41                     ` Jason Wang
2020-08-05  7:56                       ` Jiri Pirko
2020-08-05  8:02                         ` Jason Wang
2020-08-05  9:33                           ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-05 10:53                             ` Jiri Pirko
2020-08-05 11:35                               ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-07 11:59                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-13 15:33                                   ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2020-08-13 19:02                                     ` Eric Farman
2020-08-17  6:38                                       ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-10  7:46                               ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-13  4:24                                 ` Jason Wang
2020-08-14  5:16                                   ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-14 12:30                                     ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-17  1:52                                       ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-18  3:24                                     ` Jason Wang
2020-08-18  8:55                                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-18  9:06                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-18  9:24                                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-18  9:38                                             ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found]                                         ` <3a073222-dcfe-c02d-198b-29f6a507b2e1@redhat.com>
2020-08-18  9:16                                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-08-18  9:36                                             ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-18  9:39                                               ` Parav Pandit
2020-08-19  3:30                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-19  5:58                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2020-08-19  9:41                                                     ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19  6:57                                                   ` [ovirt-devel] " Jason Wang
2020-08-19  6:59                                                     ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-19  7:39                                                       ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19  8:13                                                         ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-19  9:28                                                           ` Jason Wang
2020-08-20 12:27                                                             ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-21  3:14                                                               ` Jason Wang
2020-08-21 14:52                                                                 ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-31  3:07                                                                   ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19 17:50                                                   ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-20  0:18                                                     ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-20  3:13                                                       ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-20  3:09                                                         ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-19  2:54                                               ` Jason Wang
2020-08-20  0:39                                               ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-20  1:29                                                 ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-20  4:01                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-20  5:16                                                     ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-20  6:27                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-20 13:24                                                         ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-26  8:54                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-20  3:22                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2020-08-20  3:16                                                   ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-25 14:39                                                     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-26  6:41                                                       ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-28 13:47                                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2020-08-28 14:04                                                           ` Sean Mooney
2020-08-31  4:43                                                             ` Yan Zhao
2020-09-08 14:41                                                               ` Cornelia Huck
2020-09-09  2:13                                                                 ` Yan Zhao
2020-09-10 12:38                                                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2020-09-10 12:50                                                                     ` Sean Mooney
2020-09-10 18:02                                                                       ` Alex Williamson
2020-09-11  0:56                                                                         ` Yan Zhao
2020-09-11 10:08                                                                           ` Cornelia Huck
2020-09-11 10:18                                                                             ` Tian, Kevin
2020-09-11 16:51                                                                           ` Alex Williamson
2020-09-14 13:48                                                                             ` Zeng, Xin
2020-09-14 14:44                                                                               ` Alex Williamson
2020-09-09  5:37                                                               ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-31  2:23                                                           ` Yan Zhao
2020-08-19  2:38                                             ` Jason Wang
2020-08-18  9:32                                           ` Parav Pandit
2020-08-19  2:45                                             ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19  5:26                                               ` Parav Pandit
2020-08-19  6:48                                                 ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19  6:53                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2020-07-29 19:05             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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