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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	Andrey Albershteyn <aalbersh@redhat.com>,
	fsverity@lists.linux.dev, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, chandan.babu@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 06/24] fsverity: pass tree_blocksize to end_enable_verity()
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 08:19:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240309161903.GO1927156@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZeuEe7qpNYaIll7L@dread.disaster.area>

On Sat, Mar 09, 2024 at 08:34:51AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 07:46:50PM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 02:02:24PM -0800, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 08:30:00AM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > > > Or you could leave the unfinished tree as-is; that will waste space, but
> > > > if userspace tries again, the xattr code will replace the old merkle
> > > > tree block contents with the new ones.  This assumes that we're not
> > > > using XATTR_CREATE during FS_IOC_ENABLE_VERITY.
> > > 
> > > This should work, though if the file was shrunk between the FS_IOC_ENABLE_VERITY
> > > that was interrupted and the one that completed, there may be extra Merkle tree
> > > blocks left over.
> > 
> > What if ->enable_begin walked the xattrs and trimmed out any verity
> > xattrs that were already there?  Though I think ->enable_end actually
> > could do this since one of the args is the tree size, right?
> 
> If we are overwriting xattrs, it's effectively a remove then a new
> create operation, so we may as well just add a XFS_ATTR_VERITY
> namespace invalidation filter that removes any xattr in that
> namespace in ->enable_begin...

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.  One nice aspect of the generic
listxattr code (aka not the simplified one that scrub uses) is that the
cursor tracking means that we could actually iterate-and-zap old merkle
tree blocks.

If we know the size of the merkle tree ahead of time (say it's N blocks)
then we just start zapping N, then N+1, etc. until we don't find any
more.  That wouldn't be exhaustive, but it's good enough to catch most
cases.

Online fsck should, however, have a way to call ensure_verity_info() so
that it can scan the xattrs looking for merkle tree blocks beyond
tree_size, missing merkle tree blocks within tree_size, missing
descriptors, etc.  It looks like the merkle tree block contents are
entirely hashes (no sibling/child/parent pointers, block headers, etc.)
so there's not a lot to check in the tree structure.  It looks pretty
similar to flattening a heap into a linear array.

> > > BTW, is xfs_repair planned to do anything about any such extra blocks?
> > 
> > Sorry to answer your question with a question, but how much checking is
> > $filesystem expected to do for merkle trees?
> > 
> > In theory xfs_repair could learn how to interpret the verity descriptor,
> > walk the merkle tree blocks, and even read the file data to confirm
> > intactness.  If the descriptor specifies the highest block address then
> > we could certainly trim off excess blocks.  But I don't know how much of
> > libfsverity actually lets you do that; I haven't looked into that
> > deeply. :/
> 
> Perhaps a generic fsverity userspace checking library we can link in
> to fs utilities like e2fsck and xfs_repair is the way to go here.
> That way any filesystem that supports fsverity can do offline
> validation of the merkle tree after checking the metadata is OK if
> desired.

That'd be nice.  Does the above checking sound reasonable? :)

> > For xfs_scrub I guess the job is theoretically simpler, since we only
> > need to stream reads of the verity files through the page cache and let
> > verity tell us if the file data are consistent.
> 
> *nod*

I had another thought overnight -- regular read()s incur the cost of
copying pagecache contents to userspace.  Do we really care about that,
though?  In theory we could mmap verity file contents and then use
MADV_POPULATE_READ to pull in the page cache and return error codes.  No
copying, and fewer syscalls.

> > For both tools, if something finds errors in the merkle tree structure
> > itself, do we turn off verity?  Or do we do something nasty like
> > truncate the file?
> 
> Mark it as "data corrupt" in terms of generic XFS health status, and
> leave it up to the user to repair the data and/or recalc the merkle
> tree, depending on what they find when they look at the corrupt file
> status.

Is there a way to forcibly read the file contents even if it fails
verity validation?  I was assuming the only recourse in that case is to
delete the file and restore from backup/package manager/etc.

> > Is there an ioctl or something that allows userspace to validate an
> > entire file's contents?  Sort of like what BLKVERIFY would have done for
> > block devices, except that we might believe its answers?
> > 
> > Also -- inconsistencies between the file data and the merkle tree aren't
> > something that xfs can self-heal, right?
> 
> Not that I know of - the file data has to be validated before we can
> tell if the error is in the data or the merkle tree, and only the
> user can validate the data is correct.

<nod>

--D

> -Dave.
> -- 
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-09 16:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-04 19:10 [PATCH v5 00/24] fs-verity support for XFS Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 01/24] fsverity: remove hash page spin lock Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 02/24] xfs: add parent pointer support to attribute code Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 03/24] xfs: define parent pointer ondisk extended attribute format Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 04/24] xfs: add parent pointer validator functions Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 05/24] fs: add FS_XFLAG_VERITY for verity files Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 22:35   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 21:39     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:06       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 06/24] fsverity: pass tree_blocksize to end_enable_verity() Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-05  0:52   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-06 16:30     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:02       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-08  3:46         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-08  4:40           ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-11 22:38             ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12 15:13               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-12 15:33                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-12 16:44                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-13 12:29                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-13 17:19                       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-13 19:10                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-13 21:03                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-08 21:34           ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-09 16:19             ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 07/24] fsverity: support block-based Merkle tree caching Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-06  3:56   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 21:54     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:49       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-08  3:50         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-09 16:24           ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-11 23:22   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 08/24] fsverity: add per-sb workqueue for post read processing Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-05  1:08   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 21:58     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:26       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-08  3:53         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:55       ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 09/24] fsverity: add tracepoints Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-05  0:33   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 10/24] iomap: integrate fs-verity verification into iomap's read path Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 23:39   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 22:06     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:19       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 23:38     ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-07 23:45       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-08  0:47         ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-07 23:59       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-08  1:20         ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-08  3:16           ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-08  3:57             ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-08  3:22           ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 11/24] xfs: add XBF_VERITY_SEEN xfs_buf flag Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:46   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-08  1:59     ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-08  3:31       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-09 16:28         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-11  0:26           ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-11 15:25             ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12  2:43               ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-12  4:15                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12  2:45               ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12  7:01                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-12 20:04                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12 21:45                     ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 12/24] xfs: add XFS_DA_OP_BUFFER to make xfs_attr_get() return buffer Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 13/24] xfs: add attribute type for fs-verity Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 14/24] xfs: make xfs_buf_get() to take XBF_* flags Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 15/24] xfs: add XBF_DOUBLE_ALLOC to increase size of the buffer Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 16/24] xfs: add fs-verity ro-compat flag Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 17/24] xfs: add inode on-disk VERITY flag Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:06   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 18/24] xfs: initialize fs-verity on file open and cleanup on inode destruction Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:09   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 19/24] xfs: don't allow to enable DAX on fs-verity sealsed inode Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:09   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 20/24] xfs: disable direct read path for fs-verity files Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:11   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12 12:02     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-12 16:36       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 21/24] xfs: add fs-verity support Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-06  4:55   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-06  5:01     ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 23:10   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 22/24] xfs: make scrub aware of verity dinode flag Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:18   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12 12:10     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-12 16:38       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-13  1:35         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 23/24] xfs: add fs-verity ioctls Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:14   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12 12:42     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 24/24] xfs: enable ro-compat fs-verity flag Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:16   ` Darrick J. Wong

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