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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrey Albershteyn <aalbersh@redhat.com>,
	fsverity@lists.linux.dev, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, chandan.babu@oracle.com,
	ebiggers@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 11/24] xfs: add XBF_VERITY_SEEN xfs_buf flag
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 12:59:56 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZepxHObVLb3JLCl/@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240307224654.GB1927156@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 02:46:54PM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 04, 2024 at 08:10:34PM +0100, Andrey Albershteyn wrote:
> > One of essential ideas of fs-verity is that pages which are already
> > verified won't need to be re-verified if they still in page cache.
> > 
> > XFS will store Merkle tree blocks in extended file attributes. When
> > read extended attribute data is put into xfs_buf.
> > 
> > fs-verity uses PG_checked flag to track status of the blocks in the
> > page. This flag can has two meanings - page was re-instantiated and
> > the only block in the page is verified.
> > 
> > However, in XFS, the data in the buffer is not aligned with xfs_buf
> > pages and we don't have a reference to these pages. Moreover, these
> > pages are released when value is copied out in xfs_attr code. In
> > other words, we can not directly mark underlying xfs_buf's pages as
> > verified as it's done by fs-verity for other filesystems.
> > 
> > One way to track that these pages were processed by fs-verity is to
> > mark buffer as verified instead. If buffer is evicted the incore
> > XBF_VERITY_SEEN flag is lost. When the xattr is read again
> > xfs_attr_get() returns new buffer without the flag. The xfs_buf's
> > flag is then used to tell fs-verity this buffer was cached or not.
> > 
> > The second state indicated by PG_checked is if the only block in the
> > PAGE is verified. This is not the case for XFS as there could be
> > multiple blocks in single buffer (page size 64k block size 4k). This
> > is handled by fs-verity bitmap. fs-verity is always uses bitmap for
> > XFS despite of Merkle tree block size.
> > 
> > The meaning of the flag is that value of the extended attribute in
> > the buffer is processed by fs-verity.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Andrey Albershteyn <aalbersh@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  fs/xfs/xfs_buf.h | 18 ++++++++++--------
> >  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/fs/xfs/xfs_buf.h b/fs/xfs/xfs_buf.h
> > index 73249abca968..2a73918193ba 100644
> > --- a/fs/xfs/xfs_buf.h
> > +++ b/fs/xfs/xfs_buf.h
> > @@ -24,14 +24,15 @@ struct xfs_buf;
> >  
> >  #define XFS_BUF_DADDR_NULL	((xfs_daddr_t) (-1LL))
> >  
> > -#define XBF_READ	 (1u << 0) /* buffer intended for reading from device */
> > -#define XBF_WRITE	 (1u << 1) /* buffer intended for writing to device */
> > -#define XBF_READ_AHEAD	 (1u << 2) /* asynchronous read-ahead */
> > -#define XBF_NO_IOACCT	 (1u << 3) /* bypass I/O accounting (non-LRU bufs) */
> > -#define XBF_ASYNC	 (1u << 4) /* initiator will not wait for completion */
> > -#define XBF_DONE	 (1u << 5) /* all pages in the buffer uptodate */
> > -#define XBF_STALE	 (1u << 6) /* buffer has been staled, do not find it */
> > -#define XBF_WRITE_FAIL	 (1u << 7) /* async writes have failed on this buffer */
> > +#define XBF_READ		(1u << 0) /* buffer intended for reading from device */
> > +#define XBF_WRITE		(1u << 1) /* buffer intended for writing to device */
> > +#define XBF_READ_AHEAD		(1u << 2) /* asynchronous read-ahead */
> > +#define XBF_NO_IOACCT		(1u << 3) /* bypass I/O accounting (non-LRU bufs) */
> > +#define XBF_ASYNC		(1u << 4) /* initiator will not wait for completion */
> > +#define XBF_DONE		(1u << 5) /* all pages in the buffer uptodate */
> > +#define XBF_STALE		(1u << 6) /* buffer has been staled, do not find it */
> > +#define XBF_WRITE_FAIL		(1u << 7) /* async writes have failed on this buffer */
> > +#define XBF_VERITY_SEEN		(1u << 8) /* buffer was processed by fs-verity */
> 
> Yuck.  I still dislike this entire approach.
> 
> XBF_DOUBLE_ALLOC doubles the memory consumption of any xattr block that
> gets loaded on behalf of a merkle tree request, then uses the extra
> space to shadow the contents of the ondisk block.  AFAICT the shadow
> doesn't get updated even if the cached data does, which sounds like a
> landmine for coherency issues.
>
> XFS_DA_OP_BUFFER is a little gross, since I don't like the idea of
> exposing the low level buffering details of the xattr code to
> xfs_attr_get callers.
> 
> XBF_VERITY_SEEN is a layering violation because now the overall buffer
> cache can track file metadata state.  I think the reason why you need
> this state flag is because the datadev buffer target indexes based on
> physical xfs_daddr_t, whereas merkle tree blocks have their own internal
> block numbers.  You can't directly go from the merkle block number to an
> xfs_daddr_t, so you can't use xfs_buf_incore to figure out if the block
> fell out of memory.
>
> ISTR asking for a separation of these indices when I reviewed some
> previous version of this patchset.  At the time it seems to me that a
> much more efficient way to cache the merkle tree blocks would be to set
> up a direct (merkle tree block number) -> (blob of data) lookup table.
> That I don't see here.
>
> In the spirit of the recent collaboration style that I've taken with
> Christoph, I pulled your branch and started appending patches to it to
> see if the design that I'm asking for is reasonable.  As it so happens,
> I was working on a simplified version of the xfs buffer cache ("fsbuf")
> that could be used by simple filesystems to get them off of buffer
> heads.
> 
> (Ab)using the fsbuf code did indeed work (and passed all the fstests -g
> verity tests), so now I know the idea is reasonable.  Patches 11, 12,
> 14, and 15 become unnecessary.  However, this solution is itself grossly
> overengineered, since all we want are the following operations:
> 
> peek(key): returns an fsbuf if there's any data cached for key
> 
> get(key): returns an fsbuf for key, regardless of state
> 
> store(fsbuf, p): attach a memory buffer p to fsbuf
> 
> Then the xfs ->read_merkle_tree_block function becomes:
> 
> 	bp = peek(key)
> 	if (bp)
> 		/* return bp data up to verity */
> 
> 	p = xfs_attr_get(key)
> 	if (!p)
> 		/* error */
> 
> 	bp = get(key)
> 	store(bp, p)

Ok, that looks good - it definitely gets rid of a lot of the
nastiness, but I have to ask: why does it need to be based on
xfs_bufs?  That's just wasting 300 bytes of memory on a handle to
store a key and a opaque blob in a rhashtable.

IIUC, the key here is a sequential index, so an xarray would be a
much better choice as it doesn't require internal storage of the
key.

i.e.

	p = xa_load(key);
	if (p)
		return p;

	xfs_attr_get(key);
	if (!args->value)
		/* error */

	/*
	 * store the current value, freeing any old value that we
	 * replaced at this key. Don't care about failure to store,
	 * this is optimistic caching.
	 */
	p = xa_store(key, args->value, GFP_NOFS);
	if (p)
		kvfree(p);
	return args->value;

-Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-08  2:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-04 19:10 [PATCH v5 00/24] fs-verity support for XFS Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 01/24] fsverity: remove hash page spin lock Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 02/24] xfs: add parent pointer support to attribute code Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 03/24] xfs: define parent pointer ondisk extended attribute format Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 04/24] xfs: add parent pointer validator functions Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 05/24] fs: add FS_XFLAG_VERITY for verity files Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 22:35   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 21:39     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:06       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 06/24] fsverity: pass tree_blocksize to end_enable_verity() Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-05  0:52   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-06 16:30     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:02       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-08  3:46         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-08  4:40           ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-11 22:38             ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12 15:13               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-12 15:33                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-12 16:44                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-13 12:29                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-13 17:19                       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-13 19:10                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-13 21:03                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-08 21:34           ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-09 16:19             ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 07/24] fsverity: support block-based Merkle tree caching Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-06  3:56   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 21:54     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:49       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-08  3:50         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-09 16:24           ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-11 23:22   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 08/24] fsverity: add per-sb workqueue for post read processing Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-05  1:08   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 21:58     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:26       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-08  3:53         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:55       ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 09/24] fsverity: add tracepoints Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-05  0:33   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 10/24] iomap: integrate fs-verity verification into iomap's read path Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 23:39   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 22:06     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-07 22:19       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 23:38     ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-07 23:45       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-08  0:47         ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-07 23:59       ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-08  1:20         ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-08  3:16           ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-08  3:57             ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-08  3:22           ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 11/24] xfs: add XBF_VERITY_SEEN xfs_buf flag Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:46   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-08  1:59     ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2024-03-08  3:31       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-09 16:28         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-11  0:26           ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-11 15:25             ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12  2:43               ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-12  4:15                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12  2:45               ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12  7:01                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-12 20:04                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12 21:45                     ` Dave Chinner
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 12/24] xfs: add XFS_DA_OP_BUFFER to make xfs_attr_get() return buffer Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 13/24] xfs: add attribute type for fs-verity Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 14/24] xfs: make xfs_buf_get() to take XBF_* flags Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 15/24] xfs: add XBF_DOUBLE_ALLOC to increase size of the buffer Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 16/24] xfs: add fs-verity ro-compat flag Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 17/24] xfs: add inode on-disk VERITY flag Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:06   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 18/24] xfs: initialize fs-verity on file open and cleanup on inode destruction Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:09   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 19/24] xfs: don't allow to enable DAX on fs-verity sealsed inode Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:09   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 20/24] xfs: disable direct read path for fs-verity files Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:11   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12 12:02     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-12 16:36       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 21/24] xfs: add fs-verity support Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-06  4:55   ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-06  5:01     ` Eric Biggers
2024-03-07 23:10   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 22/24] xfs: make scrub aware of verity dinode flag Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:18   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12 12:10     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-12 16:38       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-13  1:35         ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 23/24] xfs: add fs-verity ioctls Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:14   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-03-12 12:42     ` Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-04 19:10 ` [PATCH v5 24/24] xfs: enable ro-compat fs-verity flag Andrey Albershteyn
2024-03-07 22:16   ` Darrick J. Wong

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