From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>
Cc: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
Akihiro Suda <suda.akihiro@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 3/6] seccomp: add a way to get a listener fd from ptrace
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 10:45:29 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVtkvG1NihqMF4qMhhtcXFuLbwS2DW=C5F=Lp5riMa9dg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181008180043.GE28238@cisco.lan>
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:00 AM Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 05:16:30PM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 09:11:16AM -0600, Tycho Andersen wrote:
> > > As an alternative to SECCOMP_FILTER_FLAG_GET_LISTENER, perhaps a ptrace()
> > > version which can acquire filters is useful. There are at least two reasons
> > > this is preferable, even though it uses ptrace:
> > >
> > > 1. You can control tasks that aren't cooperating with you
> > > 2. You can control tasks whose filters block sendmsg() and socket(); if the
> > > task installs a filter which blocks these calls, there's no way with
> > > SECCOMP_FILTER_FLAG_GET_LISTENER to get the fd out to the privileged task.
> >
> > So for the slow of mind aka me:
> > I'm not sure I completely understand this problem. Can you outline how
> > sendmsg() and socket() are involved in this?
> >
> > I'm also not sure that this holds (but I might misunderstand the
> > problem) afaict, you could do try to get the fd out via CLONE_FILES and
> > other means so something like:
> >
> > // let's pretend the libc wrapper for clone actually has sane semantics
> > pid = clone(CLONE_FILES);
> > if (pid == 0) {
> > fd = seccomp(SECCOMP_SET_MODE_FILTER, SECCOMP_FILTER_FLAG_NEW_LISTENER, &prog);
> >
> > // Now this fd will be valid in both parent and child.
> > // If you haven't blocked it you can inform the parent what
> > // the fd number is via pipe2(). If you have blocked it you can
> > // use dup2() and dup to a known fd number.
> > }
>
> But what if your seccomp filter wants to block both pipe2() and
> dup2()? Whatever syscall you want to use to do this could be blocked
> by some seccomp policy, which means you might not be able to use this
> feature in some cases.
You don't need a syscall at all. You can use shared memory.
>
> Perhaps it's unlikely, and we can just go forward knowing this. But it
> seems like it is worth at least acknowledging that you can wedge
> yourself into a corner.
>
I think that what we *really* want is a way to create a seccomp fitter
and activate it later (on execve or via another call to seccomp(),
perhaps). And we already sort of have that using ptrace() but a
better interface would be nice when a real use case gets figured out.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-10-11 1:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-09-27 15:11 [PATCH v7 0/6] seccomp trap to userspace Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 15:11 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] seccomp: add a return code to " Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 21:31 ` Kees Cook
2018-09-27 22:48 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 23:10 ` Kees Cook
2018-09-28 14:39 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-08 14:58 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-09 14:28 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-09 16:24 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-09 16:29 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-17 20:29 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-17 22:21 ` Kees Cook
2018-10-17 22:33 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-21 16:04 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-22 9:42 ` Christian Brauner
2018-09-27 21:51 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-27 22:45 ` Kees Cook
2018-09-27 23:08 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 23:04 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 23:37 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-29 0:28 ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-09-27 15:11 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] seccomp: make get_nth_filter available outside of CHECKPOINT_RESTORE Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 16:51 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-27 21:42 ` Kees Cook
2018-10-08 13:55 ` Christian Brauner
2018-09-27 15:11 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] seccomp: add a way to get a listener fd from ptrace Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 16:20 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-27 16:34 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 17:35 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-27 18:09 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 21:53 ` Kees Cook
2018-10-08 15:16 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-08 15:33 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-08 16:21 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-08 16:42 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-08 18:18 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-09 12:39 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-09 13:28 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-09 13:36 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-09 13:49 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-09 13:50 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-09 14:09 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-09 15:26 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-09 16:20 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-09 16:26 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-10 12:54 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-10 13:09 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-10 13:10 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-10 13:18 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-10 15:31 ` Paul Moore
2018-10-10 15:33 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-10 15:39 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-10 16:54 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-10 17:15 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-10 17:26 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-10 18:28 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-11 7:24 ` Paul Moore
2018-10-11 13:39 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-11 23:10 ` Paul Moore
2018-10-12 1:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-12 20:02 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-12 20:06 ` Jann Horn
2018-10-12 20:11 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-08 18:00 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-10-08 18:41 ` Christian Brauner
2018-10-10 17:45 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-10-10 18:26 ` Christian Brauner
2018-09-27 15:11 ` [PATCH v7 4/6] files: add a replace_fd_files() function Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 16:49 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-27 18:04 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 21:59 ` Kees Cook
2018-09-28 2:20 ` Kees Cook
2018-09-28 2:46 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-28 5:23 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 15:11 ` [PATCH v7 5/6] seccomp: add a way to pass FDs via a notification fd Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 16:39 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-27 22:13 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 19:28 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-27 22:14 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 22:17 ` Jann Horn
2018-09-27 22:49 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 22:09 ` Kees Cook
2018-09-27 22:15 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 15:11 ` [PATCH v7 6/6] samples: add an example of seccomp user trap Tycho Andersen
2018-09-27 22:11 ` Kees Cook
2018-09-28 21:57 ` [PATCH v7 0/6] seccomp trap to userspace Michael Kerrisk (man-opages)
2018-09-28 22:03 ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-28 22:16 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2018-09-28 22:34 ` Kees Cook
2018-09-28 22:46 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2018-09-28 22:48 ` Jann Horn
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