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From: tglx@linutronix.de (Thomas Gleixner)
Subject: [RFC 00/20] ns: Introduce Time Namespace
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 08:15:15 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1810020811290.32062@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
Message-ID: <20181002061515.vafY68aWhVg05gINowyCLCf-f8J9snTWzJ0MvY9nHf0@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181001232033.GA31324@outlook.office365.com>

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, Andrey Vagin wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018@11:41:49PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Sep 2018, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > > Add time skew via NTP/PTP into the picture and you might have to adjust
> > > timers as well, because you need to guarantee that they are not expiring
> > > early.
> > > 
> > > I haven't looked through Dimitry's patches yet, but I don't see how this
> > > can work at all without introducing subtle issues all over the place.
> > 
> > And just a quick scan tells me that this is broken. Timers will expire
> > early or late. The latter is acceptible to some extent, but larger delays
> > might come with surprise. Expiring early is an absolute nono.
> 
> Do you mean that we have to adjust all timers after changing offset for
> CLOCK_MONOTONIC or CLOCK_BOOTTIME? Our idea is that offsets for
> monotonic and boot times will be set immediately after creating a time
> namespace before using any timers.

I explained that in detail in this thread, but it's not about the initial
setting of clock mono/boot before any timers have been armed.

It's about setting the offset or clock realtime (via settimeofday) when
timers are already armed. Also having a entirely different time domain,
e.g. separate NTP adjustments, makes that necessary.

Thanks,

	tglx

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-02  6:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-19 20:50 [RFC 00/20] ns: Introduce Time Namespace dima
2018-09-19 20:50 ` Dmitry Safonov
2018-09-19 20:50 ` [RFC 16/20] selftest: Add Time Namespace test for supported clocks dima
2018-09-19 20:50   ` Dmitry Safonov
2018-09-24 21:36   ` shuah
2018-09-24 21:36     ` Shuah Khan
2018-09-19 20:50 ` [RFC 17/20] selftest/timens: Add test for timerfd dima
2018-09-19 20:50   ` Dmitry Safonov
2018-09-19 20:50 ` [RFC 18/20] selftest/timens: Add test for clock_nanosleep dima
2018-09-19 20:50   ` Dmitry Safonov
2018-09-19 20:50 ` [RFC 19/20] timens/selftest: Add procfs selftest dima
2018-09-19 20:50   ` Dmitry Safonov
2018-09-19 20:50 ` [RFC 20/20] timens/selftest: Add timer offsets test dima
2018-09-19 20:50   ` Dmitry Safonov
2018-09-21 12:27 ` [RFC 00/20] ns: Introduce Time Namespace ebiederm
2018-09-21 12:27   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-09-24 20:51   ` avagin
2018-09-24 20:51     ` Andrey Vagin
2018-09-24 22:02     ` ebiederm
2018-09-24 22:02       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-09-25  1:42       ` avagin
2018-09-25  1:42         ` Andrey Vagin
2018-09-26 17:36         ` ebiederm
2018-09-26 17:36           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-09-26 17:59           ` 0x7f454c46
2018-09-26 17:59             ` Dmitry Safonov
2018-09-27 21:30           ` tglx
2018-09-27 21:30             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-27 21:41             ` tglx
2018-09-27 21:41               ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-01 23:20               ` avagin
2018-10-01 23:20                 ` Andrey Vagin
2018-10-02  6:15                 ` tglx [this message]
2018-10-02  6:15                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-02 21:05                   ` 0x7f454c46
2018-10-02 21:05                     ` Dmitry Safonov
2018-10-02 21:26                     ` tglx
2018-10-02 21:26                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-28 17:03             ` ebiederm
2018-09-28 17:03               ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-09-28 19:32               ` tglx
2018-09-28 19:32                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-01  9:05                 ` ebiederm
2018-10-01  9:05                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-10-01  9:15                 ` Setting monotonic time? ebiederm
2018-10-01  9:15                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-10-01 18:52                   ` tglx
2018-10-01 18:52                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-02 20:00                     ` arnd
2018-10-02 20:00                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-10-02 20:06                       ` tglx
2018-10-02 20:06                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-03  4:50                         ` ebiederm
2018-10-03  4:50                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-10-03  5:25                           ` tglx
2018-10-03  5:25                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-03  6:14                             ` ebiederm
2018-10-03  6:14                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-10-03  7:02                               ` arnd
2018-10-03  7:02                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-10-03  6:14                             ` tglx
2018-10-03  6:14                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-01 20:51                   ` avagin
2018-10-01 20:51                     ` Andrey Vagin
2018-10-02  6:16                     ` tglx
2018-10-02  6:16                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-21  1:41               ` [RFC 00/20] ns: Introduce Time Namespace avagin
2018-10-21  1:41                 ` Andrei Vagin
2018-10-21  3:54                 ` avagin
2018-10-21  3:54                   ` Andrei Vagin
2018-10-29 20:33                 ` tglx
2018-10-29 20:33                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-29 21:21                   ` ebiederm
2018-10-29 21:21                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-10-29 21:36                     ` tglx
2018-10-29 21:36                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-31 16:26                   ` avagin
2018-10-31 16:26                     ` Andrei Vagin

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