From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@gmail.com>
Cc: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
PCI <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
Geert Uytterhoeven <geert+renesas@glider.be>,
Wolfram Sang <wsa@the-dreams.de>,
"open list:MEDIA DRIVERS FOR RENESAS - FCP"
<linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org>,
Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 2/3] PCI: rcar: Do not abort on too many inbound dma-ranges
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:06:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdXjZs6Gvar3o7wXd2-1tkPtpt3qxZLG5vzDfrCG4d9SeQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <06d093b2-dcc2-a01f-fce0-5db0bc47325e@gmail.com>
Hi Marek,
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 12:33 AM Marek Vasut <marek.vasut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/17/19 12:26 AM, Rob Herring wrote:
> [...]
> >>>> You can have multiple non-continuous DRAM banks for example. And an
> >>>> entry for SRAM optionally. Each DRAM bank and/or the SRAM should have a
> >>>> separate dma-ranges entry, right ?
> >>>
> >>> Not necessarily. We really only want to define the minimum we have to.
> >>> The ideal system is no dma-ranges. Is each bank at a different
> >>> relative position compared to the CPU's view of the system. That would
> >>> seem doubtful for just DRAM banks. Perhaps DRAM and SRAM could change.
> >>
> >> Is that a question ? Anyway, yes, there is a bit of DRAM below the 32bit
> >> boundary and some more above the 32bit boundary. These two banks don't
> >> need to be continuous. And then you could add the SRAM into the mix.
> >
> > Continuous is irrelevant. My question was in more specific terms is
> > (bank1 addr - bank0 addr) different for CPU's view (i.e phys addr) vs.
> > PCI host view (i.e. bus addr)? If not, then that is 1 translation and
> > 1 dma-ranges entry.
>
> I don't think it's different in that aspect. Except the bus has this
> 32bit limitation, where it only sees subset of the DRAM.
>
> Why should the DMA ranges incorrectly cover also the DRAM which is not
> present ?
>
> >>> I suppose if your intent is to use inbound windows as a poor man's
> >>> IOMMU to prevent accesses to the holes, then yes you would list them
> >>> out. But I think that's wrong and difficult to maintain. You'd also
> >>> need to deal with reserved-memory regions too.
> >>
> >> What's the problem with that? The bootloader has all that information
> >> and can patch the DT correctly. In fact, in my specific case, I have
> >> platform which can be populated with differently sized DRAM, so the
> >> holes are also dynamically calculated ; there is no one DT then, the
> >> bootloader is responsible to generate the dma-ranges accordingly.
> >
> > The problems are it doesn't work:
> >
> > Your dma-mask and offset are not going to be correct.
> >
> > You are running out of inbound windows. Your patch does nothing to
> > solve that. The solution would be merging multiple dma-ranges entries
> > to a single inbound window. We'd have to do that both for dma-mask and
> > inbound windows. The former would also have to figure out which
> > entries apply to setting up dma-mask. I'm simply suggesting just do
> > that up front and avoid any pointless splits.
>
> But then the PCI device can trigger a transaction to non-existent DRAM
> and cause undefined behavior. Surely we do not want that ?
The PCI device will trigger transactions to memory only when instructed
to do so by Linux, right? Hence if Linux takes into account chosen/memory
and dma-ranges, there is no problem?
> > You are setting up random inbound windows. The bootloader can't assume
> > what order the OS parses dma-ranges, and the OS can't assume what
> > order the bootloader writes the entries.
>
> But the OS can assume the ranges are correct and cover only valid
> memory, right ? That is, memory into which the PCI controller can safely
> access.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org
In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-17 7:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-09 17:57 [PATCH V3 1/3] PCI: rcar: Move the inbound index check marek.vasut
2019-08-09 17:57 ` [PATCH V3 2/3] PCI: rcar: Do not abort on too many inbound dma-ranges marek.vasut
2019-08-16 13:23 ` Simon Horman
2019-08-16 13:28 ` Marek Vasut
2019-08-16 13:38 ` Simon Horman
2019-08-16 17:41 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-21 10:18 ` Andrew Murray
2019-10-26 18:03 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-26 20:36 ` Andrew Murray
2019-10-26 21:06 ` Andrew Murray
2019-11-06 23:37 ` Marek Vasut
2019-11-07 14:19 ` Andrew Murray
2019-11-16 15:48 ` Marek Vasut
2019-11-18 18:42 ` Robin Murphy
2019-12-22 7:46 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 15:00 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-16 15:10 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 15:26 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-16 15:29 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 16:18 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-16 18:12 ` Rob Herring
2019-10-16 18:17 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 20:25 ` Rob Herring
2019-10-16 21:15 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-16 22:26 ` Rob Herring
2019-10-16 22:33 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-17 7:06 ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2019-10-17 10:55 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-17 13:06 ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-17 14:00 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-17 14:36 ` Rob Herring
2019-10-17 15:01 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18 9:53 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-18 12:22 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18 12:53 ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 14:26 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18 15:44 ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 16:44 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-18 17:35 ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 18:44 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-21 8:32 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-11-19 12:10 ` Robin Murphy
2019-10-18 10:06 ` Andrew Murray
2019-10-18 10:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-10-18 11:40 ` Andrew Murray
2019-08-09 17:57 ` [PATCH V3 3/3] PCI: rcar: Recalculate inbound range alignment for each controller entry marek.vasut
2019-10-21 10:39 ` Andrew Murray
2019-08-16 10:52 ` [PATCH V3 1/3] PCI: rcar: Move the inbound index check Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-08-16 10:59 ` Marek Vasut
2019-08-16 11:10 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2019-10-15 20:14 ` Marek Vasut
2019-10-21 10:11 ` Andrew Murray
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