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From: Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>
To: Pat Suwalski <pat@suwalski.net>
Cc: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Matthias Schniedermeyer <ms@citd.de>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Marc Giger <gigerstyle@gmx.ch>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered.
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:34:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030424023434.GF354@phunnypharm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3EA74BF1.2090700@suwalski.net>

On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:29:05PM -0400, Pat Suwalski wrote:
> Werner Almesberger wrote:
> >So you're claiming that users will find it more difficult to add
> >one line to rc.local than upgrading their kernel ?
> 
> No.
> 
> I believe he is saying that ever since 1984 and the Mac Plus, it has 
> been expected that sound works right away without adding any lines anywhere.
> 
> I have not seen a computer in the last year and a half that has not had 
> either onboard sound or a card. It is very standard hardware these days. 
> Therefore, your soundcard should work just like your keyboard does. You 
> do not have to add any lines to any rc script to get the keyboard 
> working, do you? Sound should not have to be any different, in an ideal 
> world.

Sound may be a standard feature, but it does not get driven by a
standard interface like PS2 or HID keyboards do. It's also not as
straight forward as "sound or no sound". There's many different levels
of sound hardware, from the 2-channel basic stereo, to the 6-way Dolby
Digital 5.1.

Whether or not a line is needed in an rc script is really a shortcoming
of userspace, IMO. It's the responsibility of userspace to setup the
user's environment in the most friendly way.

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-24  2:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-23 16:23 [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 16:32 ` Marc Giger
2003-04-23 16:45 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-23 16:56   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 17:21     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-23 13:26       ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-23 17:26         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 17:45           ` Disconnect
2003-04-23 17:47           ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-23 18:44             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 17:49           ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-23 18:56           ` Jörn Engel
2003-04-23 22:17         ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 22:35           ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-23 22:55             ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  2:19               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  2:29                 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24  2:34                   ` Ben Collins [this message]
2003-04-24  7:22                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 13:31                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  4:30                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-23 23:15             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 21:34     ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-23 21:36       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 22:14         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-23 22:18           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 22:55             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  0:11             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24  0:43               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  1:11                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24  1:18                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  1:22                   ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24  2:11                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  2:40                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24  3:37                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  4:47                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24 13:16                           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24  7:14                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 13:38                           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 13:49                             ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-24 14:08                               ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24 14:34                                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-24 15:04                                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 15:23                                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-24 16:01                                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 16:26                                         ` Jaroslav Kysela
2003-04-24 21:22                                           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 10:03                                             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2003-04-25 10:30                                               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 21:36                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 23:55                               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25  0:05                                 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-25 10:41                                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 10:04                                     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-25 17:44                                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 17:59                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-26  0:31                                           ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24 22:51       ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24  0:31 Ian Kumlien

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