From: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
To: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
Cc: Felipe Alfaro Solana <lkml@mac.com>,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Maciej Soltysiak <solt2@dns.toxicfilms.tv>,
Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@debian.org>
Subject: Re: starting with 2.7
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 06:44:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050104054458.GB7048@alpha.home.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200501032059.j03KxOEB004666@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl>
On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 05:59:24PM -0300, Horst von Brand wrote:
> Felipe Alfaro Solana <lkml@mac.com> said:
>
> [...]
>
> > I would like to comment in that the issue is not exclusively targeted
> > to stability, but the ability to keep up with kernel development. For
> > example, it was pretty common for older versions of VMWare and NVidia
> > driver to break up whenever a new kernel version was released.
>
> That is the price for closed-source drivers.
>
> > I think it's a PITA for developers to rework some of the closed-source
> > code to adopt the new changes in the Linux kernel.
>
> Open up the code. Most of the changes will then be done as a matter of
> course by others.
it will not solve the problem : if a driver or any glue logic breaks, it's
because interface has changed again. When you will have 3000 open drivers,
you'll have to find people to make the changes every week. The solution in
the first place is to respect some code stability and not to break thinks
every week.
Willy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-04 5:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 222+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-02 20:03 starting with 2.7 Maciej Soltysiak
2005-01-02 20:08 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-01-02 20:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-02 21:01 ` Re[2]: " Maciej Soltysiak
2005-01-02 21:24 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-02 21:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-02 22:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-02 22:49 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-02 23:14 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-03 0:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 0:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 1:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 5:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-03 12:33 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 21:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-03 22:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 23:53 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 5:06 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-04 5:29 ` Sean
2005-01-05 8:42 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 9:13 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-04 13:17 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 13:24 ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-03 13:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 17:18 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 18:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-03 18:59 ` Russell King
2005-01-03 19:07 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 19:26 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-03 21:06 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-04 0:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-04 3:12 ` Thomas Graf
2005-01-04 5:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 15:21 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 15:58 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 17:38 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-01-04 23:51 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 0:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 18:30 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 18:56 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 19:08 ` Chris Friesen
2005-01-04 15:34 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 21:19 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-04 21:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 23:50 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05 5:37 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-05 7:04 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05 8:33 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-06 18:08 ` Paul Rolland
2005-01-06 21:08 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-06 22:50 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-07 14:34 ` Paul Rolland
2005-01-05 0:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 0:33 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-05 18:40 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 21:13 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 21:35 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-04 0:02 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 3:32 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-05 9:27 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 10:57 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 3:15 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-01-06 14:03 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-06 16:34 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2005-01-06 19:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-06 19:58 ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-06 22:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-07 8:33 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-06 20:48 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 19:28 ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-03 22:39 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 7:46 ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-04 18:34 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 21:03 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 23:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 17:31 ` Rahul Karnik
2005-01-04 18:44 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 21:04 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-04 21:28 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 21:51 ` APM vs. ACPI, janitor wanted? [was Re: starting with 2.7] Pavel Machek
2005-01-04 12:57 ` starting with 2.7 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 15:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 15:34 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 16:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 19:57 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 20:30 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 20:34 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 20:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 21:23 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 22:01 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-04 21:01 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-06 9:45 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-06 15:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-06 16:59 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-06 14:38 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-04 20:17 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-05 0:02 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05 5:49 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 2:06 ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-04 2:36 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-01-03 12:52 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:52 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-03 17:15 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-01-02 23:14 ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-02 23:21 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-01-03 9:57 ` Reviving the concept of a stable series (was Re: starting with 2.7) L. A. Walsh
2005-01-03 12:17 ` Robert W. Fuller
2005-01-03 13:58 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 14:24 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 4:56 ` David Lang
2005-01-04 14:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 7:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-01-09 0:13 ` Reviving the concept of a stable series L A Walsh
2005-01-10 13:44 ` Adam Sampson
2005-01-10 16:50 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-10 19:24 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 20:50 ` jmerkey
2005-01-03 22:20 ` Reviving the concept of a stable series (was Re: starting with 2.7) Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 13:08 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 18:20 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-06 15:31 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 18:23 ` [PATCH] zap the ACPI shutdown bug (was Re: Reviving the concept of a stable series) Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-06 19:07 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-06 21:19 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 0:19 ` starting with 2.7 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 0:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 0:49 ` Adam Mercer
2005-01-03 1:20 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 12:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-01-03 1:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 22:26 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:20 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 15:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 15:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 17:39 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 20:59 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-03 21:47 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 21:48 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 22:03 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-03 22:10 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 22:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-03 23:41 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 5:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 6:36 ` Al Viro
2005-01-04 10:23 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 12:36 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 12:59 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 20:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-04 20:17 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-05 6:20 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-01-05 11:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 20:24 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-05 13:31 ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-05 19:16 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-05 21:19 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 9:17 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-01-04 13:27 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 14:27 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 15:31 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 16:51 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 20:58 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-04 23:07 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-04 23:18 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-04 22:04 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-03 22:01 ` Sean
2005-01-04 5:44 ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2005-01-04 13:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 23:21 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 18:18 ` Wakko Warner
2005-01-03 23:06 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-03 15:18 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-03 15:34 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-03 15:46 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-03 15:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-03 23:34 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-04 7:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-04 13:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-04 17:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-04 20:18 ` David Lang
2005-01-04 23:03 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2005-01-05 7:39 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-06 19:35 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-06 23:33 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2005-01-07 1:51 ` David Lang
2005-01-07 5:48 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-03 22:53 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-06 3:52 ` Ian Kent
2005-01-06 20:02 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-06 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-07 0:06 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-07 16:34 ` M. Edward Borasky
2005-01-07 17:25 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-09 2:31 ` M. Edward Borasky
2005-01-09 3:01 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-09 3:08 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-09 23:02 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 0:30 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-10 1:26 ` Indrek Kruusa
2005-01-10 1:28 ` Dave Airlie
2005-01-10 2:16 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-10 4:51 ` Gene Heskett
2005-01-10 18:27 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 20:11 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-10 19:55 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 21:08 ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-11 16:10 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-10 22:19 ` Dave Airlie
2005-01-11 0:54 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 16:10 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-04 16:07 Indrek Kruusa
2005-01-07 11:07 Nicolas Mailhot
2005-01-07 11:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 11:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 17:34 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-08 15:45 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-11 7:17 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-11 16:10 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-11 17:36 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-11 19:59 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-01-10 21:32 ` Bill Davidsen
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