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From: Kent Overstreet <koverstreet@google.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, tj@kernel.org, bharrosh@panasas.com,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 9/9] block: Avoid deadlocks with bio allocation by stacking drivers
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:43:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120831014359.GB15218@moria.home.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120830220745.GI27257@redhat.com>

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 06:07:45PM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:13:45AM -0700, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> 
> [..]
> > > Performance aside, punting submission to per device worker in case of deep
> > > stack usage sounds cleaner solution to me.
> > 
> > Agreed, but performance tends to matter in the real world. And either
> > way the tricky bits are going to be confined to a few functions, so I
> > don't think it matters that much.
> > 
> > If someone wants to code up the workqueue version and test it, they're
> > more than welcome...
> 
> Here is one quick and dirty proof of concept patch. It checks for stack
> depth and if remaining space is less than 20% of stack size, then it
> defers the bio submission to per queue worker.

I can't think of any correctness issues. I see some stuff that could be
simplified (blk_drain_deferred_bios() is redundant, just make it a
wrapper around blk_deffered_bio_work()).

Still skeptical about the performance impact, though - frankly, on some
of the hardware I've been running bcache on this would be a visible
performance regression - probably double digit percentages but I'd have
to benchmark it.  That kind of of hardware/usage is not normal today,
but I've put a lot of work into performance and I don't want to make
things worse without good reason.

Have you tested/benchmarked it?

There's scheduling behaviour, too. We really want the workqueue thread's
cpu time to be charged to the process that submitted the bio. (We could
use a mechanism like that in other places, too... not like this is a new
issue).

This is going to be a real issue for users that need strong isolation -
for any driver that uses non negligable cpu (i.e. dm crypt), we're
breaking that (not that it wasn't broken already, but this makes it
worse).

I could be convinced, but right now I prefer my solution.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-31  1:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-28 17:37 [PATCH v7 0/9] Block cleanups, deadlock fix Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 17:37 ` [PATCH v7 1/9] block: Generalized bio pool freeing Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 17:37 ` [PATCH v7 2/9] dm: Use bioset's front_pad for dm_rq_clone_bio_info Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 17:37 ` [PATCH v7 3/9] block: Add bio_reset() Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 20:31   ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-28 22:17     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 22:53       ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-01  2:23       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-05 20:13         ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 17:37 ` [PATCH v7 4/9] pktcdvd: Switch to bio_kmalloc() Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 20:32   ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-28 22:24     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-04  9:05     ` Jiri Kosina
2012-09-05 19:44       ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 17:37 ` [PATCH v7 5/9] block: Kill bi_destructor Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 20:36   ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-28 22:07     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 17:37 ` [PATCH v7 6/9] block: Consolidate bio_alloc_bioset(), bio_kmalloc() Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 20:41   ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-28 22:03     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-01  2:17       ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-28 17:37 ` [PATCH v7 7/9] block: Add bio_clone_bioset(), bio_clone_kmalloc() Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 20:44   ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-28 22:05     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-01  2:19       ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-28 17:37 ` [PATCH v7 8/9] block: Reorder struct bio_set Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 17:37 ` [PATCH v7 9/9] block: Avoid deadlocks with bio allocation by stacking drivers Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 20:49   ` Tejun Heo
2012-08-28 22:28     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 23:01       ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-29  1:31         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-08-29  3:25           ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-29 12:57             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-08-29 14:39               ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2012-08-29 16:26                 ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-29 21:01                   ` John Stoffel
2012-08-29 21:08                     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-28 22:06   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-08-28 22:23     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-29 16:24   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-08-29 16:50     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-29 16:57       ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2012-08-29 17:07       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-08-29 17:13         ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-29 17:23           ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2012-08-29 17:32             ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-30 22:07           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-08-31  1:43             ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2012-08-31  1:55               ` Kent Overstreet
2012-08-31 15:01               ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-03  1:26                 ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-03 20:41               ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-09-04  3:41                 ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-04 18:55                   ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-04 19:01                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-04 19:43                       ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-04 19:42                     ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-04 21:03                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-04 19:26                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-09-04 19:39                     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-04 19:51                     ` [PATCH] dm: Use bioset's front_pad for dm_target_io Kent Overstreet
2012-09-04 21:20                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-11 19:28                       ` [PATCH 2] " Mikulas Patocka
2012-09-11 19:50                         ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-12 22:31                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2012-09-14 23:09                             ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2012-09-01  2:13             ` [PATCH v7 9/9] block: Avoid deadlocks with bio allocation by stacking drivers Tejun Heo
2012-09-03  1:34               ` [PATCH v2] " Kent Overstreet
2012-09-04 15:00               ` [PATCH v7 9/9] " Vivek Goyal
2012-09-03  0:49             ` Dave Chinner
2012-09-03  1:17               ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-04 13:54               ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-04 18:26                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-05  3:57                   ` Dave Chinner
2012-09-05  4:37                     ` Tejun Heo

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