From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>,
Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Hoeun Ryu <hoeun.ryu@gmail.com>, PaX Team <pageexec@freemail.hu>,
Emese Revfy <re.emese@gmail.com>,
Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap()
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:53:36 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170409105335.GA15772@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXQaRcNz7EQW9DHF-LMr5SkooLq=1HKsdOfXH-kY4fcBw@mail.gmail.com>
* Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The
> > submitted code is aimed at rare writes to globals, but this feature is
> > more than that and design decisions shouldn't be based on just the
> > short term.
>
> Then, if you disagree with a proposed design, *explain why* in a
> standalone manner. Say what future uses a different design would
> have.
>
> > I actually care a lot more about 64-bit ARM support than I do x86, but
> > using a portable API for pax_open_kernel (for the simple uses at
> > least) is separate from choosing the underlying implementation. There
> > might not be a great way to do it on the architectures I care about
> > but that doesn't need to hinder x86. It's really not that much code...
> > A weaker/slower implementation for x86 also encourages the same
> > elsewhere.
>
> No one has explained how CR0.WP is weaker or slower than my proposal.
> Here's what I'm proposing:
>
> At boot, choose a random address A. Create an mm_struct that has a
> single VMA starting at A that represents the kernel's rarely-written
> section. Compute O = (A - VA of rarely-written section). To do a
> rare write, use_mm() the mm, write to (VA + O), then unuse_mm().
BTW., note that this is basically a pagetable based protection key variant.
> It'll be considerably slower than CR0.WP on a current x86 kernel, but, with PCID
> landed, it shouldn't be much slower. It has the added benefit that writes to
> non-rare-write data using the rare-write primitive will fail.
... which is a security advantage of the use_mm() based design you suggest.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-04-09 10:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-03-29 18:15 [RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 01/11] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:23 ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30 7:44 ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-03-30 17:02 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07 8:09 ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-04-07 20:38 ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 02/11] lkdtm: add test for " Kees Cook
2017-03-30 9:34 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ian Campbell
2017-03-30 16:16 ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 03/11] net: switch sock_diag handlers to rare_write() Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Kees Cook
2017-03-29 22:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-30 1:41 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-05 23:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-06 0:14 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-06 15:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 8:34 ` [kernel-hardening] " Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 9:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 10:51 ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 13:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 13:30 ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 16:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 16:22 ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 19:58 ` PaX Team
2017-04-08 4:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-09 12:47 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 0:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 10:42 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 16:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 20:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 21:20 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-08 4:12 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08 4:13 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08 4:21 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08 5:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08 7:33 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08 15:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-09 10:53 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2017-04-10 10:22 ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-09 20:24 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 0:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 19:47 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 20:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:13 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-10 20:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 19:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 14:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-10 10:29 ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 19:52 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 8:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-10 19:55 ` PaX Team
2017-04-07 9:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 05/11] ARM: mm: dump: Add domain to output Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 06/11] ARM: domains: Extract common USER domain init Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 07/11] ARM: mm: set DOMAIN_WR_RARE for rodata Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 08/11] ARM: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/end() Kees Cook
2017-04-07 9:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 09/11] list: add rare_write() list helpers Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 10/11] gcc-plugins: Add constify plugin Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 11/11] cgroups: force all struct cftype const Kees Cook
2017-03-29 19:00 ` [RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-29 19:14 ` Kees Cook
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