From: "PaX Team" <pageexec@freemail.hu>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Hoeun Ryu <hoeun.ryu@gmail.com>, Emese Revfy <re.emese@gmail.com>,
Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap()
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:42:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <58EB619B.8144.6F924846@pageexec.freemail.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWvGLtObdk3V0k_Esa_L=EOf+Whe=6DpcJ7H_W8Z-5Btw@mail.gmail.com>
On 9 Apr 2017 at 17:10, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 5:47 AM, PaX Team <pageexec@freemail.hu> wrote:
> > on x86 the cost of the pax_open/close_kernel primitives comes from the cr0
> > writes and nothing else, use_mm suffers not only from the cr3 writes but
> > also locking/atomic ops and cr4 writes on its path and the inevitable TLB
> > entry costs. and if cpu vendors cared enough, they could make toggling cr0.wp
> > a fast path in the microcode and reduce its overhead by an order of magnitude.
> >
>
> If the CR4 writes happen in for this use case, that's a bug.
that depends on how you plan to handle perf/rdpmc users and how many
alternative mm structs you plan to manage (one global, one per cpu,
one per mm struct, etc).
> > you'll be duplicating TLB entries in the alternative PCID for both code
> > and data, where they will accumulate (=take room away from the normal PCID
> > and expose unwanted memory for access) unless you also flush them when
> > switching back (which then will cost even more cycles). also i'm not sure
> > that processors implement all the 12 PCID bits so depending on how many PCIDs
> > you plan to use, you could be causing even more unnecessary TLB replacements.
> >
>
> Unless the CPU is rather dumber than I expect, the only duplicated
> entries should be for the writable aliases of pages that are written.
> The rest of the pages are global and should be shared for all PCIDs.
well, 4.10.2.4 has language like this (4.10.3.2 implies similar):
A logical processor may use a global TLB entry to translate a linear
address, even if the TLB entry is associated with a PCID different
from the current PCID.
that to me says that global page entries are associated with a PCID and
may (not) be used while in another PCID. in Intel-speak that's not 'dumb'
but "tricks up our sleeve that we don't really want to tell you about in
detail, except perhaps under a NDA".
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-04-10 10:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-03-29 18:15 [RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 01/11] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:23 ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30 7:44 ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-03-30 17:02 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07 8:09 ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-04-07 20:38 ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 02/11] lkdtm: add test for " Kees Cook
2017-03-30 9:34 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ian Campbell
2017-03-30 16:16 ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 03/11] net: switch sock_diag handlers to rare_write() Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Kees Cook
2017-03-29 22:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-30 1:41 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-05 23:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-06 0:14 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-06 15:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 8:34 ` [kernel-hardening] " Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 9:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 10:51 ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 13:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 13:30 ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 16:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 16:22 ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 19:58 ` PaX Team
2017-04-08 4:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-09 12:47 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 0:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 10:42 ` PaX Team [this message]
2017-04-10 16:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 20:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 21:20 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-08 4:12 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08 4:13 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08 4:21 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08 5:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08 7:33 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08 15:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-09 10:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-10 10:22 ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-09 20:24 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 0:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 19:47 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 20:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:13 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-10 20:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 19:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 14:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-10 10:29 ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 19:52 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 8:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-10 19:55 ` PaX Team
2017-04-07 9:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 05/11] ARM: mm: dump: Add domain to output Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 06/11] ARM: domains: Extract common USER domain init Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 07/11] ARM: mm: set DOMAIN_WR_RARE for rodata Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 08/11] ARM: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/end() Kees Cook
2017-04-07 9:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 09/11] list: add rare_write() list helpers Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 10/11] gcc-plugins: Add constify plugin Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 11/11] cgroups: force all struct cftype const Kees Cook
2017-03-29 19:00 ` [RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-29 19:14 ` Kees Cook
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