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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Jessica Yu <jeyu@redhat.com>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] livepatch/rcu: Warn when system consistency is broken in RCU code
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 18:04:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170510160423.GJ3452@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170509161835.64ihfts7xuytaryp@treble>

On Tue 2017-05-09 11:18:35, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 03:36:00PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 05:16:09PM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 08, 2017 at 02:07:54PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > But do we really need this, given the in_nmi() check that Steven
> > pointed out?
> 
> The in_nmi() check doesn't work for non-NMI exceptions.  An exception
> can come from anywhere, which is presumably why ist_enter() calls
> rcu_nmi_enter(), even though it might not have been in NMI context.  The
> exception could, for example, happen while you're twiddling important
> bits in rcu_irq_enter().  Or it could happen early in do_nmi(), before
> it had a chance to set NMI_MASK or call rcu_nmi_enter().  In either
> case, in_nmi() would be false, yet calling rcu_irq_enter() would be bad.
> 
> I think I have convinced myself that, as long as the user doesn't patch
> ist_enter() or rcu_dynticks_eqs_enter(), it'll be fine.  So the
> following should be sufficient:
> 
> 	if (in_nmi())
> 		rcu_nmi_enter(); /* in case we're called before nmi_enter() */

This does not work as expected. in_nmi() is implemented as

	(preempt_count() & NMI_MASK)

These bits are set in nmi_enter(), see

	preempt_count_add(NMI_OFFSET + HARDIRQ_OFFSET);

Note that nmi_enter() calls rcu_nmi_enter() right after
setting the preempt_count bit.

It means that if in_nmi() returns true, we should already
on the safe side regarding using rcu_read_lock()/unlock().


The patch was designed to use basically the same solution
as is used in the stack tracer. It is using
rcu_read_lock()/unlock() as we do.

The stack tracer is different in the following ways:

    + It takes a spin lock. This is why it has to give
      up in NMI completely.

    + It disables interrupts. I guess that it is because
      of the spin lock as well. Otherwise, it would not
      be safe in IRQ context.

    + It checks whether local_irq_save() has a chance to
      work and gives up if it does not.


On the other hand, the live patch handler:

    + does not need any lock => could be used in NMI

    + does not need to disable interrupts because
      it does not use any lock

    + checks if local_irq_save() actually succeeded.
      It seems more reliable to me.


I am not sure if we all understand the problem. IMHO, the point
is that RCU must be aware when we call rcu_read_lock()/unlock().

My understanding is that rcu_irq_enter() tries to make RCU watching
when it was not. Then rcu_is_watching() reports if we are on
the safe side.

But it is possible that I miss something. One question is if
rcu_irq_enter()/exit() calls can be nested.

I still need to think about it.

Best Regards,
Petr

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-10 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-04 10:55 [PATCH 0/3] livepatch/rcu: Handle some subtle issues between livepatching and RCU Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 1/3] livepatch/rcu: Guarantee consistency when patching idle kthreads Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 2/3] livepatch/rcu: Warn when system consistency is broken in RCU code Petr Mladek
2017-05-08 16:51   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 19:13     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 19:47       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 20:15         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 20:43           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 20:51             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 21:08               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 21:07             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 21:18               ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 21:30                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-08 22:16               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 22:36                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-09 16:18                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-09 16:36                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-10 16:04                     ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2017-05-10 16:45                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-10 17:58                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-11 12:40                         ` Miroslav Benes
2017-05-11 15:03                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-08 21:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-08 20:18         ` Steven Rostedt
2017-05-11 12:50           ` Miroslav Benes
2017-05-11 13:52       ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-11 14:50         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-05-11 15:27         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-05-11 12:44     ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 10:55 ` [PATCH 3/3] livepatch/rcu: Disable livepatch removal when safety is not guaranteed Petr Mladek
2017-05-04 16:55 ` [PATCH 0/3] livepatch/rcu: Handle some subtle issues between livepatching and RCU Paul E. McKenney

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