From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
LKMM Maintainers -- Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 11:03:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180711180321.GY3593@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180711161717.GA14635@andrea>
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 06:17:17PM +0200, Andrea Parri wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 08:42:11AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:43:45AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > Hi Alan,
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 02:18:13PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> > > > More than one kernel developer has expressed the opinion that the LKMM
> > > > should enforce ordering of writes by locking. In other words, given
> > > > the following code:
> > > >
> > > > WRITE_ONCE(x, 1);
> > > > spin_unlock(&s):
> > > > spin_lock(&s);
> > > > WRITE_ONCE(y, 1);
> > > >
> > > > the stores to x and y should be propagated in order to all other CPUs,
> > > > even though those other CPUs might not access the lock s. In terms of
> > > > the memory model, this means expanding the cumul-fence relation.
> > > >
> > > > Locks should also provide read-read (and read-write) ordering in a
> > > > similar way. Given:
> > > >
> > > > READ_ONCE(x);
> > > > spin_unlock(&s);
> > > > spin_lock(&s);
> > > > READ_ONCE(y); // or WRITE_ONCE(y, 1);
> > > >
> > > > the load of x should be executed before the load of (or store to) y.
> > > > The LKMM already provides this ordering, but it provides it even in
> > > > the case where the two accesses are separated by a release/acquire
> > > > pair of fences rather than unlock/lock. This would prevent
> > > > architectures from using weakly ordered implementations of release and
> > > > acquire, which seems like an unnecessary restriction. The patch
> > > > therefore removes the ordering requirement from the LKMM for that
> > > > case.
> > > >
> > > > All the architectures supported by the Linux kernel (including RISC-V)
> > > > do provide this ordering for locks, albeit for varying reasons.
> > > > Therefore this patch changes the model in accordance with the
> > > > developers' wishes.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
> > >
> > > Thanks, I'm happy with this version of the patch:
> > >
> > > Reviewed-by: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
> >
> > I have applied your Reviewed-by, and thank you both!
> >
> > Given that this is a non-trivial change and given that I am posting
> > for -tip acceptance in a few days, I intend to send this one not
> > to the upcoming merge window, but to the one after that.
> >
> > Please let me know if there is an urgent need for this to go into the
> > v4.19 merge window.
>
> I raised some concerns in my review to v2; AFAICT, these concerns have
> not been resolved: so, until then, please feel free to add my NAK. ;-)
I will be keeping the prototype in my -rcu tree for the time being,
but I will not be submitting it into the v4.19 merge window. I expect
that you all will be able to come to agreement in the couple of months
until the v4.20/v5.0 merge window. ;-)
I will apply Peter's ack and at the same time mark it EXP so that its
state will be apparent.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-11 18:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-09 20:01 [PATCH v2] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire Alan Stern
2018-07-09 21:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-10 13:57 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-10 16:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1807101416390.1449-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2018-07-10 19:58 ` [PATCH v3] " Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-10 20:24 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-10 20:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 9:43 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-11 15:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 16:17 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 18:03 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2018-07-11 16:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 18:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-10 9:38 ` [PATCH v2] " Andrea Parri
2018-07-10 14:48 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-10 15:24 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-10 15:34 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-10 23:14 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 9:43 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-11 12:34 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 12:54 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 15:57 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-11 16:28 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 17:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-11 17:50 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-12 8:34 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 9:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 7:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 9:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 9:45 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-13 2:17 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-12 11:52 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 12:01 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 12:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 13:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 16:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12 17:04 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-12 17:14 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-12 17:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12 18:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 18:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-12 19:52 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 20:24 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-13 2:05 ` Daniel Lustig
2018-07-13 4:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-13 9:07 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-13 9:35 ` Will Deacon
2018-07-13 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-13 19:06 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-14 1:51 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-14 2:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-16 2:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-13 11:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-13 13:15 ` Michael Ellerman
2018-07-13 16:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-13 19:56 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-16 14:40 ` Michael Ellerman
2018-07-16 19:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-16 19:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-17 14:45 ` Michael Ellerman
2018-07-17 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-17 18:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-17 18:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-17 19:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-17 19:47 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-17 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-17 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-17 19:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-17 19:37 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-17 20:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-17 19:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-17 19:40 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-17 19:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-18 12:31 ` Michael Ellerman
2018-07-18 13:16 ` Michael Ellerman
2018-07-12 17:52 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 20:43 ` Alan Stern
2018-07-12 21:13 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 21:23 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-12 18:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-12 17:45 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-10 16:56 ` Daniel Lustig
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1807101315140.1449-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
2018-07-10 23:31 ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-11 14:19 ` Alan Stern
[not found] <3344e7aeb09644758860ac343bd757a1@AcuMS.aculab.com>
2018-07-11 17:36 ` [PATCH v3] " Alan Stern
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