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From: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>
To: Andreas Bosch <progandy@bosch-fellbach.de>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Olof Johansson <olof@lxom.net>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:57:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180920105719.ktnmzcfzih2tytfi@wunner.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <61b4a3f9-ccd1-061c-1c1b-ec993b056c66@bosch-fellbach.de>

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:31:26PM +0200, Andreas Bosch wrote:
> Am 18.09.18 um 22:16 schrieb Lukas Wunner:
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 02:24:30PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 01:48:52PM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 12:22:43PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >>>> +Scope
> >>>> +=====
> >>>> +
> >>>> +This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and in public
> >>>> +spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community.
> >>>> +Examples of representing a project or community include using an
> >>>> +official project e-mail address, posting via an official social media
> >>>> +account, or acting as an appointed representative at an online or
> >>>> +offline event. Representation of a project may be further defined and
> >>>> +clarified by project maintainers.
> >>> 
> >>> Seriously though, I read this to know what I need to be aware of but oddly
> >>> the language of this paragraph says it doesn't apply to me:  I'm not using
> >>> an official project e-mail address nor an official social media account,
> >>> nor has anyone appointed me as representative.  I can live with that, I'm
> >>> just wondering what the benefit of a document is that only seems to apply
> >>> to a tiny fraction of the community.
> >> 
> >> I do not think you are reading the document correctly.  As an example,
> >> it should cover any emails sent to this list.  That is not a "tiny
> >> fraction" by my last count :)
> 
> The document applies if you attach the representation qualifier only to
> the public spaces. The chosen language seems problematic since the scope
> of the qualifier is unclear. The two possible readings are: 1) This Code
> of Conduct applies within project spaces. In addition it applies in
> public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its
> community. 2) This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and
> in public spaces. It does only apply when an individual is representing
> the project or its community. The first reading is the expected version
> I think, but this should be clarified. -- Andreas

Thanks, that makes sense.  Indeed I had mentally inserted logical
parentheses like this when parsing the sentence:

    This Code of Conduct applies ( both within project spaces and in public
    spaces ) when an individual is representing the project or its community.

It might be beneficial to disambiguate the sentence, e.g.:

    This Code of Conduct applies within project spaces.  It also applies in
    public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its
    community.

If that is the intended meaning.

Kind regards,

Lukas

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-20 10:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-17 11:48 Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it Lukas Wunner
2018-09-17 12:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-09-18 19:16   ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-19 10:30     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-18 20:16   ` Lukas Wunner
     [not found]     ` <61b4a3f9-ccd1-061c-1c1b-ec993b056c66@bosch-fellbach.de>
2018-09-20 10:57       ` Lukas Wunner [this message]
2018-09-19  6:00 Edward Cree
2018-09-19 14:18 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-09-19 23:35   ` Edward Cree
2018-09-20  1:16     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-20  2:14       ` Edward Cree
2018-09-21  1:48         ` Rik van Riel
2018-09-21  2:16           ` unixing
2018-09-21 13:07           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2018-09-21 16:34             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-21 23:15               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-21 23:20                 ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-21 23:31                 ` jonsmirl
2018-09-21 23:59                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-24 18:59                     ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-24 19:45                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-25  2:24                         ` gratuitouslicensesarerevocable
2018-09-25 17:14                         ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-26  0:41                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-26 19:34                             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-26 20:55                               ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-28 18:34                                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-28 15:56                             ` Alan Cox
2018-09-28 19:38                               ` jonsmirl
2018-09-29 12:44                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-29 12:46                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-22  0:05                   ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-22  0:24                     ` jonsmirl
2018-09-24 17:43                       ` Max Filippov
2018-09-24 18:07                         ` jonsmirl
2018-09-23 18:44                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-25 23:48                 ` Michael Woods
2018-09-24 17:25             ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-25 11:28         ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-25 12:36           ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-25 13:13             ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-25 13:41               ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-25 17:38                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-25 13:28             ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-26 10:24               ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-25 15:14             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-25 22:30               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-26 11:17               ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-20  3:07       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-20  4:18       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-09-20  9:27         ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-20 22:57           ` Edward Cree
2018-09-23 14:50             ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-23 18:41             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-24 17:21             ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-20  9:29         ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-20 21:18 Christoph Conrads
2018-09-21  8:09 ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-21 11:36   ` Christoph Conrads

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