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From: Christoph Conrads <contact@christoph-conrads.name>
To: Edward Cree <ec429@cantab.net>
Cc: unconditionedwitness@redchan.it,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:50:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180923165050.56674786772aaa0985f5ba53@christoph-conrads.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a9db544f-db9d-d6c4-67d8-43db2eb591fc@cantab.net>

Dear Edward,

> I know others have already said it, but:
> This is legally nonsense.  The only way I can revoke someone's rights to
>  my code under the GPL is if they violate the terms of the GPL.

this aspect of FOSS licenses has -- to the best of my knowledge --
never been tested in court. Actually, the Free Software Foundation felt
compelled to clarify this point in GPLv3 and there is a thread on
StackOverflow acknowledging the possibility of revoking a license [1].
Finally, revoking the license may very well be possible in some
jurisdictions but not all of them, e.g., Australia [2]. There are 195
independent states in this world and I do not think you can make such a
broad claim if it has never been legally contested before.

By the way your e-mail is violating the code of coduct.

> This is legally nonsense.

You are not empathic towards others and respectful of differing
viewpoints. 

> In short, "unconditionedwitness", please shut up.  You're not helping.

The comment is derogatory if not downright offensive.

[1]
https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/832/is-a-copyright-license-by-default-revocable-or-irrevocable
[2]
https://web.archive.org/web/20091024034824/http://www.ilaw.com.au/public/licencearticle.html

Sincerely
Christoph Conrads

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 23:57:15 +0100
Edward Cree <ec429@cantab.net> wrote:

> On 20/09/18 10:27, unconditionedwitness@redchan.it wrote:
> > Contributors can, at any time, rescind the license grant regarding their
> > property via written notice to those whom they are rescinding the grant
> > from (regarding their property (code)).
> 
> I know others have already said it, but:
> This is legally nonsense.  The only way I can revoke someone's rights to
>  my code under the GPL is if they violate the terms of the GPL.  If I
>  were to do so otherwise, then _I_ would be in violation for having
>  distributed derived works of the kernel without a GPL, not to mention
>  the obvious reliance/estoppel problems.
> 
> Moreover, even if I _could_ revoke the license, I wouldn't want to do
>  so; it would be ridiculously petty in itself and the precedent it would
>  set would be destructive to the entire open-source community, about
>  which I care deeply.  It is _because_ Linux and other open-source
>  projects are so important to humanity that I spoke up about what I
>  perceive as a threat to it.
> 
> In short, "unconditionedwitness", please shut up.  You're not helping.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-23 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-19  6:00 Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it Edward Cree
2018-09-19 14:18 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-09-19 23:35   ` Edward Cree
2018-09-20  1:16     ` Olof Johansson
2018-09-20  2:14       ` Edward Cree
2018-09-21  1:48         ` Rik van Riel
2018-09-21  2:16           ` unixing
2018-09-21 13:07           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2018-09-21 16:34             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-21 23:15               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-21 23:20                 ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-21 23:31                 ` jonsmirl
2018-09-21 23:59                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-24 18:59                     ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-24 19:45                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-25  2:24                         ` gratuitouslicensesarerevocable
2018-09-25 17:14                         ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-26  0:41                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2018-09-26 19:34                             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-26 20:55                               ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-28 18:34                                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-28 15:56                             ` Alan Cox
2018-09-28 19:38                               ` jonsmirl
2018-09-29 12:44                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-29 12:46                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-22  0:05                   ` Joey Pabalinas
2018-09-22  0:24                     ` jonsmirl
2018-09-24 17:43                       ` Max Filippov
2018-09-24 18:07                         ` jonsmirl
2018-09-23 18:44                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-25 23:48                 ` Michael Woods
2018-09-24 17:25             ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-25 11:28         ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-25 12:36           ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-25 13:13             ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-25 13:41               ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-25 17:38                 ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-25 13:28             ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-26 10:24               ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-25 15:14             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-25 22:30               ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-09-26 11:17               ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-20  3:07       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-20  4:18       ` Willy Tarreau
2018-09-20  9:27         ` unconditionedwitness
2018-09-20 22:57           ` Edward Cree
2018-09-23 14:50             ` Christoph Conrads [this message]
2018-09-23 18:41             ` \0xDynamite
2018-09-24 17:21             ` unconditionedwitness
     [not found]               ` <c61eb2d545150d46428f4bc25843cd58@redchan.it>
     [not found]                 ` <201809241941.44460.dr.klepp@gmx.at>
     [not found]                   ` <20180924204809.GK23968@linuxmafia.com>
2018-09-25  2:09                     ` [DNG] Fwd: " gratuitouslicensesarerevocable
2018-09-20  9:29         ` unconditionedwitness
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-09-20 21:18 Christoph Conrads
2018-09-21  8:09 ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-09-21 11:36   ` Christoph Conrads
2018-09-17 11:48 Lukas Wunner
2018-09-17 12:24 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-09-18 19:16   ` Pavel Machek
2018-09-19 10:30     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-09-18 20:16   ` Lukas Wunner
     [not found]     ` <61b4a3f9-ccd1-061c-1c1b-ec993b056c66@bosch-fellbach.de>
2018-09-20 10:57       ` Lukas Wunner

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