From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
ksummit <ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
Chris Mason <clm@fb.clm>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 22:56:17 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202007062234.A90F922DF@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXewAK4_fpaJNDHJVDK9mUcjghA5HwYvZFQNYVfC9M+OQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 09:29:46AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> Is most contexts where 'whitelist' or 'blacklist' might be used, a
> descriptive phrase could be used instead. For example, a seccomp
> filter could have a 'list of allowed syscalls' or a 'list of
> disallowed syscalls', and just lists could be the 'allowed' or
> 'accepted' lists and the 'disallowed', 'rejected', or 'blocked' lists.
> If a single word replacement for 'whitelist' or 'blacklist' is needed,
> 'allowlist', 'blocklist', or 'denylist' could be used.
Yup. See:
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/202007041703.51F4059CA@keescook/
specifically the terminology for seccomp is already "allow-list" and
"deny-list":
https://github.com/mkerrisk/man-pages/commit/462ce23d491904a0b46252dc97c8cb42391c093e (last year)
https://github.com/seccomp/libseccomp/commit/0e762521d604612bb4dca8867d4a428a5e6cae54 (last month)
> Second, I realize that I grew up thinking that 'whitelist' and
> 'blacklist' are the common terms for lists of things to be accepted
> and rejected and that this biases my perception of what sounds good,
> but writing a seccomp "denylist" or "blocklist" doesn't seem to roll
> off the tongue. Perhaps this language would be better:
I have struggled with this as well. The parts of speech change, and my
grammar senses go weird. whitelist = adjective noun. allow-list = verb
noun. verbing the adj/noun combo feels okay, but verbing a verb/noun is
weird.
And just using "allowed" and "denied" doesn't impart whether it refers
to a _single_ instance or a _list_ of instances.
But that's all fine. The change is easy to do and is more descriptive
even if I can't find terms that don't collide with my internal grammar
checker. ;)
--
Kees Cook
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-07-07 5:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-07-04 20:02 [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology Dan Williams
2020-07-04 20:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-04 23:41 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
[not found] ` <CAFhKne9MA_G-UsvBFfX-gZRcu9Gb7Xt7UxQ14MTppdU3X1VYdQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-05 1:10 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Kees Cook
2020-07-05 2:44 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-06 11:15 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-06 15:53 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-05 2:54 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-04 20:44 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 23:34 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 2:12 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-05 2:56 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 3:23 ` James Bottomley
2020-07-05 3:26 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 21:14 ` Olof Johansson
2020-07-04 21:25 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " James Bottomley
2020-07-04 21:51 ` Joe Perches
2020-07-04 23:39 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 0:08 ` Joe Perches
2020-07-05 1:32 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-05 17:50 ` opal hart
2020-07-04 23:42 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 0:41 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 4:30 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-10 16:52 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-05 4:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2020-07-06 3:13 ` Daniel Palmer
2020-07-06 12:45 ` Chris Mason
2020-07-06 14:06 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2020-07-06 15:55 ` Chris Mason
2020-07-06 16:06 ` Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07 4:17 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 15:22 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-07-06 15:40 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
[not found] ` <CAFhKne_ZVWVhZX5hNEbeGBfU6BMRN9JKQeTsVYOcMmEH1cd3xg@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-06 7:06 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " NeilBrown
2020-07-06 7:10 ` NeilBrown
2020-07-06 7:22 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-06 7:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-07-06 10:22 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-06 12:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-06 12:59 ` Joe Perches
2020-07-06 13:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-06 13:30 ` Joe Perches
2020-07-09 11:11 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2020-07-13 4:25 ` Vinod Koul
2020-07-13 15:55 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 13:23 ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-06 16:29 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-07 4:00 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-07 5:56 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2020-07-07 6:49 ` Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07 13:37 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 15:24 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Bird, Tim
2020-07-07 15:33 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-07 15:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 15:55 ` Bird, Tim
2020-07-07 6:56 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Harrosh, Boaz
2020-07-07 8:54 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 13:41 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 14:45 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07 20:56 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 21:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Arvind Sankar
2020-07-07 12:13 ` Mark Brown
2020-07-06 18:30 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Shuah Khan
2020-07-06 23:58 ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-09 10:43 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2020-07-09 16:01 ` Shuah Khan
2020-07-09 16:13 ` [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] " Mark Brown
2020-07-09 16:32 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " James Bottomley
2020-07-09 16:35 ` [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-10 9:38 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07 4:04 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 19:15 ` Mark Brown
2020-07-07 0:48 ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07 21:26 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-07-07 23:54 ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07 4:08 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-07 9:36 ` Mark Brown
2020-07-06 21:31 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-06 22:10 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-06 22:17 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-06 22:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-06 23:03 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-08 3:42 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-08 10:51 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-07 6:56 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " SeongJae Park
2020-07-08 7:12 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-08 9:28 ` SeongJae Park
2020-07-07 7:51 ` Christian Brauner
2020-07-08 18:40 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-07-17 8:35 ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-26 15:30 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
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