From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.clm>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:35:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200717083527.GA1027@bug> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <159389297140.2210796.13590142254668787525.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com>
Hi!
> +On the triviality of replacing words
> +====================================
> +
> +The African slave trade was a brutal system of human misery deployed at
> +global scale. Some word choice decisions in a modern software project
> +does next to nothing to compensate for that legacy. So why put any
> +effort into something so trivial in comparison? Because the goal is not
> +to repair, or erase the past. The goal is to maximize availability and
> +efficiency of the global developer community to participate in the Linux
> +kernel development process.
I'd preffer to keep politics out of kernel.
> +of 'blacklist' is devoid of a historical racial connection. However, one
> +thought exercise is to consider replacing 'blacklist/whitelist' with
> +'redlist/greenlist'. Realize that the replacement only makes sense if
> +you have been socialized with the concepts that 'red/green' implies
> +'stop/go'. Colors to represent a policy requires an indirection. The
So you are trying to blacklist colors. That's stupid.
> +socialization of 'black/white' to have the connotation of
> +'impermissible/permissible' does not support inclusion.
> +
> +Inclusion == global developer community efficiency.
It seems inclusion == reason to push politics and questionable patches
into kernel. That is opposite of efficiency.
:-(
Pavel
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Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-07-04 20:02 [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology Dan Williams
2020-07-04 20:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-04 23:41 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
[not found] ` <CAFhKne9MA_G-UsvBFfX-gZRcu9Gb7Xt7UxQ14MTppdU3X1VYdQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-05 1:10 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Kees Cook
2020-07-05 2:44 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-06 11:15 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-06 15:53 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-05 2:54 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-04 20:44 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 23:34 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 2:12 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-05 2:56 ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 3:23 ` James Bottomley
2020-07-05 3:26 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 21:14 ` Olof Johansson
2020-07-04 21:25 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " James Bottomley
2020-07-04 21:51 ` Joe Perches
2020-07-04 23:39 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 0:08 ` Joe Perches
2020-07-05 1:32 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-05 17:50 ` opal hart
2020-07-04 23:42 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-05 0:41 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 4:30 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-10 16:52 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-05 4:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2020-07-06 3:13 ` Daniel Palmer
2020-07-06 12:45 ` Chris Mason
2020-07-06 14:06 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2020-07-06 15:55 ` Chris Mason
2020-07-06 16:06 ` Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07 4:17 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 15:22 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-07-06 15:40 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
[not found] ` <CAFhKne_ZVWVhZX5hNEbeGBfU6BMRN9JKQeTsVYOcMmEH1cd3xg@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-06 7:06 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " NeilBrown
2020-07-06 7:10 ` NeilBrown
2020-07-06 7:22 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-06 7:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-07-06 10:22 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-06 12:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-06 12:59 ` Joe Perches
2020-07-06 13:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-06 13:30 ` Joe Perches
2020-07-09 11:11 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2020-07-13 4:25 ` Vinod Koul
2020-07-13 15:55 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 13:23 ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-06 16:29 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-07 4:00 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-07 5:56 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 6:49 ` Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07 13:37 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 15:24 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Bird, Tim
2020-07-07 15:33 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-07 15:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 15:55 ` Bird, Tim
2020-07-07 6:56 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Harrosh, Boaz
2020-07-07 8:54 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 13:41 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 14:45 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07 20:56 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 21:48 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Arvind Sankar
2020-07-07 12:13 ` Mark Brown
2020-07-06 18:30 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Shuah Khan
2020-07-06 23:58 ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-09 10:43 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2020-07-09 16:01 ` Shuah Khan
2020-07-09 16:13 ` [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] " Mark Brown
2020-07-09 16:32 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " James Bottomley
2020-07-09 16:35 ` [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-10 9:38 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07 4:04 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 19:15 ` Mark Brown
2020-07-07 0:48 ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07 21:26 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-07-07 23:54 ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07 4:08 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-07 9:36 ` Mark Brown
2020-07-06 21:31 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-06 22:10 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-06 22:17 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-06 22:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-06 23:03 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-08 3:42 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-08 10:51 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-07 6:56 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " SeongJae Park
2020-07-08 7:12 ` Dan Williams
2020-07-08 9:28 ` SeongJae Park
2020-07-07 7:51 ` Christian Brauner
2020-07-08 18:40 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-07-17 8:35 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2020-07-26 15:30 ` Laurent Pinchart
2020-07-06 8:48 Michael Shigorin
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