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From: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
To: "Downing, Thomas" <Thomas.Downing@ipc.com>
Cc: Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:12:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EA7F0C6.8010907@techsource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 170EBA504C3AD511A3FE00508BB89A9201FD8E40@exnanycmbx4.ipc.com



Downing, Thomas wrote:

>IMHO the DRM issue is not one that will be settled in either the software
>or hardware area, but in the legal one.
>
>[snip]
>
>So this leads me to a position I would have, without reflection, not taken;
>while I despise the current subversion of fair use and first point of sale
>undertaken by MPAA, RIAA, et al., I agree with what I understand Linus to
>say - DRM yes or no should not be mandated by license.
>-
>
>  
>

I feel like I'm late into this discussion, but anyhow...

Do we have any kind of agenda to spread Linux?  I mean, it sure is 
spreading, eating into other markets, for instance Windows.  But how 
interested are we in doing things specifically to accelerate that?  

One of the things that we could do to accelerate the adoption of Linux 
is to support DRM.  Yes, we know it's evil, but if we are the ones 
developing it, at least we know what it is and is not doing and how it 
works.  

As much as I dislike Microsoft for its business practices, I still feel 
uneasy having illegal copies of their Office suite.  So I use OpenOffice 
instead.  Likewise, I prefer to use Linux because having a free copy of 
it is perfectly legal.  And finally, although I do like the idea of 
being able to sample music before I buy it, I feel an attachment to 
artists I listen to, so I buy their CD's (despite the fact that it helps 
the RIAA).

So the idea of having something which prevents me from illegally 
pirating something doesn't bother me so much.  Whenever I have to do 
serious work, I either use an OSS tool, or I pay money for a piece of 
software so I can get support -- sometimes, I even pay for OSS stuff. 
 The idea of a DRM system malfunctioning and preventing me from 
accessing my legally-licensed material DOES bother me very much, but I 
think only in the hands of people like us can it be done right, because 
we're the very ones who would suffer were it to break.

In the end, of course, this is up to Linus, at least in terms of the 
mainline tree.  Whatever his opinion might be, we're going to have to 
make a bullet-proof argument to officially go one way or the other on this.



  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-24 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-24 12:36 Flame Linus to a crisp! Downing, Thomas
2003-04-24 14:12 ` Timothy Miller [this message]
2003-04-24 22:48   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 12:29   ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2003-04-25 15:45     ` Timothy Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-04-28  9:30 Martin_List-Petersen
2003-04-25 12:57 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-25 12:41 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-25 12:36 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-27  7:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-04-25 12:23 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-24 22:10 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-24 22:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:55 Daniel Callahan
2003-04-24 20:39 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-24 21:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:42   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 22:45     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-24 23:59       ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-25  9:07         ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-25 13:01       ` David Luyer
2003-04-25  8:13   ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-25 19:12     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25 20:56       ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-25 21:50         ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found] <20030424041004$113a@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-04-24  4:53 ` Tony 'Nicoya' Mantler
2003-04-24  3:59 Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24  4:40 ` Joel Jaeggli
2003-04-24  4:43 ` Greg KH
2003-04-24  4:57   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24  5:02     ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24  5:39       ` viro
2003-04-24  5:56         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-24  8:46           ` Dax Kelson
2003-04-24  9:46         ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24 10:54       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-04-25  0:07         ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24  4:54 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-04-24  5:16   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 13:08     ` Shawn
2003-04-24 20:12       ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-04-24 17:32     ` Andreas Boman
2003-04-24 17:41       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-24 19:39         ` Balram Adlakha
2003-04-26 17:05       ` Riley Williams
2003-04-24  5:02 ` Mark J Roberts
2003-04-24  5:13   ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-04-24  5:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-24  5:43   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24  6:15     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-24  7:44       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24  8:03         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-04-25  1:16           ` Jan Harkes
2003-04-25  1:35             ` Stan Bubrouski
2003-04-24  8:16         ` John Bradford
2003-04-24  8:31           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24  8:59             ` John Bradford
2003-04-24  8:50           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 14:45           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 15:00             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-04-24 19:03             ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 19:32               ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 19:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 20:19                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 20:35                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 19:39                 ` Balram Adlakha
2003-04-24 21:02                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 18:58         ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 21:08           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:37             ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 21:30               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:38                 ` John Bradford
2003-04-25  3:20                   ` Shawn
2003-04-25  5:47                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-25  7:02                       ` John Bradford
2003-04-25  8:52                         ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-25 14:03                   ` Mike Dresser
2003-04-24 21:42                 ` Russell King
2003-04-25  6:08               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-04-25 11:46                 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-04-24 10:57     ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-04-24 22:51     ` Adrian Bunk
2003-04-24  7:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24  8:37 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-24  8:59   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 12:52     ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-24 15:37     ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 18:35       ` Alan Cox
2003-04-24 20:46         ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 20:50           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 21:03             ` Chris Adams
2003-04-24 22:29         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 22:41           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 22:54             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25  0:26               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 22:41           ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 14:21           ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-27 16:13             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-04-24 19:23       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 19:50         ` Balram Adlakha
2003-04-24  8:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-04-24  9:19   ` Russell King
2003-04-24 11:38     ` Shachar Shemesh
2003-04-24 17:46       ` Shachar Shemesh
2003-04-24 14:59   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 12:39 ` Mark Mielke
2003-04-24 15:53 ` Elladan
2003-04-24 18:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-24 23:15   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 11:28     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-04-27  1:31       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-27  1:59         ` David Wagner
2003-04-25 14:37     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-25 15:17       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-25 17:37       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-26 21:59         ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-26 13:00     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-26 18:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-26 18:41         ` viro
2003-04-26 18:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-28 14:20           ` John Stoffel
2003-04-26 19:23         ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-28 10:35         ` Andre Hedrick
2003-04-28 12:12           ` Jörn Engel
2003-04-28 14:01           ` Zack Gilburd
2003-04-28 14:30             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-26 18:21   ` Rik van Riel
2003-04-26 23:34     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-27  3:59     ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 20:16 ` Nils Holland

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