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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, y-goto@jp.fujitsu.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@elte.hu,
	linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tip:sched/core] sched: Fix ancient race in do_exit()
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:28:06 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFx4nJwxWab4x8pKM+NEHPx_3kHbwf3xzQOLEpaXMks-CA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz20=H0ZubZEAmEbv0gL8j3C5Kgt4m2+5MU63uVipZt0Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> So it may be completely and utterly broken for some subtle reason, but
> I don't see what it would be. It seems to clean up and simplify the
> logic, and remove all the bogus workarounds for the fact that we used
> to do things stupidly.
>
> But maybe there's some reason for those "stupid" things. I just don't see it.

Hmm. Ok, so I see one reason for it. The silly extraneous "set task to
TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE" shouldn't matter normally - even if there are
spurious wakeups (say, disk IO while taking a page fault - not that I
see why we'd be on any wait queues yet), we'll just schedule a bit
more than we need in the extremely unlikely case that they hit us.

But for RT tasks with higher priorities, looping - even if we call
schedule() all the time - can cause livelocks. Damn. So while I don't
think the spurious wakeup is a big issue (I don't think it happens in
practice), it could lead to problems.

I think we could possibly use the "flags" field to do that "are we
just about to get woken up" logic, and set TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE in the
loop - and just clear "flags" before doing the wakeup (the same way we
used to clear "task"). Dunno. Ideas?

                         Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-29 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-22  0:42 [BUG] TASK_DEAD task is able to be woken up in special condition Yasunori Goto
2011-12-22  2:14 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-12-22  8:22   ` Yasunori Goto
2011-12-22 20:02     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-12-23  9:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-23 15:41   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-26  8:23     ` Yasunori Goto
2011-12-26 17:11       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-27  6:48         ` Yasunori Goto
2012-01-06 10:22           ` Yasunori Goto
2012-01-06 11:01             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-06 12:01               ` Yasunori Goto
2012-01-06 12:43                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-06 14:12                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-06 14:19                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-07  1:31                     ` Yasunori Goto
2012-01-16 11:51                       ` Yasunori Goto
2012-01-16 13:38                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-17  8:40                           ` Yasunori Goto
2012-01-17  9:06                             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-01-17 15:12                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-18  9:42                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-01-18 14:20                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-24 10:19                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-24 10:55                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-24 17:25                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-01-25 15:45                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-25 16:51                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-25 17:43                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-26 15:32                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-26 16:26                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-27  8:59                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-24 10:11                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-26  9:39                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-01-28 12:03                             ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Fix ancient race in do_exit() tip-bot for Yasunori Goto
2012-01-28 21:12                               ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-29 16:07                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-29 17:44                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-29 18:28                                     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2012-01-29 18:59                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2012-01-30 16:27                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-01-06 13:48             ` [BUG] TASK_DEAD task is able to be woken up in special condition Oleg Nesterov
2011-12-28 21:07         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-01-24 10:23           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-24 18:01             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-01-25  6:15               ` Mike Galbraith
2012-01-26 21:24                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-01-25 10:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-26 20:25             ` [tip:sched/urgent] sched: Fix rq->nr_uninterruptible update race tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-27  5:20               ` Rakib Mullick
2012-01-27  8:19                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-27 14:11                   ` Rakib Mullick
2012-01-26 21:21             ` [BUG] TASK_DEAD task is able to be woken up in special condition KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-01-27  8:21               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-12-26  6:52   ` Yasunori Goto

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