From: Gilad Ben-Yossef <gilad@benyossef.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@tilera.com>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
Kosaki Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>,
Milton Miller <miltonm@bga.com>
Subject: Re: [v7 0/8] Reduce cross CPU IPI interference
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:39:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOtvUMeaL8-9wYYrC-05P95ZcYHnV5as0bjjv9gJSHKN+EFz0w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1328905759.25989.57.camel@laptop>
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 22:13 +0200, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
>> My current understanding is that if I have a real time task and wish it
>> have a deterministic performance time, you should call mlockall() to lock
>> the program data and text into physical memory so that a less often taken
>> branch or access to a new data region will not result in a page fault.
>>
>> You still have to worry about TLB misses on non hardware page table
>> walk architecture, but at least everything is in the page tables
>>
>> If there is a better way to do this? I'm always happy to learn new
>> ways to do things. :-)
>
> A rt application usually consists of a lot of non-rt parts and a usually
> relatively small rt part. Using mlockall() pins the entire application
> into memory, which while on the safe side is very often entirely too
> much.
>
> The alternative method is to only mlock the text and data used by the rt
> part. You need to be aware of what text runs in your rt part anyway,
> since you need to make sure it is in fact deterministic code.
>
> One of the ways of achieving this is using a special linker section for
> your vetted rt code and mlock()'ing only that text section.
>
> On thread creation, provide a custom allocated (and mlock()'ed) stack
> etc..
>
> Basically, if you can't tell a-priory what code is part of your rt part,
> you don't have an rt part ;-)
>
That I can totally agree with.
I guess mlockall() is still useful as a kind of hack for lazy people,
although if you say that this kind of laziness does not really mix
well with real
time programming I will tend to agree... :-)
Gilad
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-10 20:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-26 10:01 [v7 0/8] Reduce cross CPU IPI interference Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 1/8] smp: introduce a generic on_each_cpu_mask function Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-29 12:24 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-30 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2012-01-31 6:33 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 2/8] arm: move arm over to generic on_each_cpu_mask Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 3/8] tile: move tile to use " Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 4/8] smp: add func to IPI cpus based on parameter func Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-27 23:57 ` Andrew Morton
2012-01-29 12:04 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 5/8] slub: only IPI CPUs that have per cpu obj to flush Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 15:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-01-26 10:01 ` [v7 6/8] fs: only send IPI to invalidate LRU BH when needed Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 10:02 ` [v7 7/8] mm: only IPI CPUs to drain local pages if they exist Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 15:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-01-28 0:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-01-29 12:18 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-30 21:49 ` Andrew Morton
2012-01-31 6:32 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-30 14:59 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-30 15:14 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-30 15:44 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-26 10:02 ` [v7 8/8] mm: add vmstat counters for tracking PCP drains Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-01-26 15:19 ` [v7 0/8] Reduce cross CPU IPI interference Peter Zijlstra
2012-01-29 8:25 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-01 17:04 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-02 8:46 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-02 15:41 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-05 11:46 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-10 18:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-10 20:13 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-10 20:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-10 20:39 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef [this message]
2012-02-10 18:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-10 20:33 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-15 21:50 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-15 22:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-15 23:44 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-21 1:34 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-03-01 18:27 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-10 18:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-10 20:24 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-15 15:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 15:19 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-15 21:51 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-02 16:24 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-02 16:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-09 15:52 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-09 15:59 ` Chris Metcalf
2012-02-09 18:11 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-09 16:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-09 18:32 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 17:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-01 17:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-02 9:42 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-01 18:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-01 20:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-01 20:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 9:34 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-02 15:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 16:14 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-02 17:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-02 17:23 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-02 17:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-05 12:16 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-05 16:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-09 15:22 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-09 16:05 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-09 18:22 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-09 23:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-02-10 1:39 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-14 13:18 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-21 0:02 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-02 17:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-05 12:06 ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2012-02-06 18:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-02-09 15:37 ` Frederic Weisbecker
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