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From: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@ds2.pg.gda.pl>
To: Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Input issues - key down with no key up
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:22:35 +0200 (MET DST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1030818135400.12013B-100000@delta.ds2.pg.gda.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030817215436.GA24933@ucw.cz>

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Vojtech Pavlik wrote:

> > What are the known problems with mode #3, then?
> 
> It's broken on many keyboards (on some only slightly, like some keys not
> working properly). Other (special, either unix workstation or point of
> sale) keyboards need it to work properly.

 IIRC, OSF/1 running on later Alphas with a PS/2 keyboard interface
(earlier oned had an LK201 one) uses mode #3.  I can't comment on the VMS.

> > That is, why doesn't everyone use it and why haven't they always used it?
> 
> Because old AT keyboards didn't support it. Because the XT keyboard
> didn't support it. Because history sticks.

 Since the 8042+keyboard combo supports a PC/XT compatibility mode there
was no incentive -- why bother modifying software if the hardware works
with the old one?  Even if that sucks. 

> > For that matter, what does Windows use?
> 
> Translated Set 2. Actually an emulated XT keyboard.

 For mode #3 explicit handling for hot-plugging would be required -- I
guess the change would be much too intrusive.  And untranslated mode #2 is
nearly the same as an emulated PC/XT keyboard: codes are different and the
release bit is replaced by the release code, but the multibyte mess for
PS/2-specific keys remains -- no gain at all.

-- 
+  Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland   +
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
+        e-mail: macro@ds2.pg.gda.pl, PGP key available        +


  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-18 12:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-15  5:16 Input issues - key down with no key up Neil Brown
2003-08-15  7:46 ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-15 10:58   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-15 12:36     ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-15 12:43       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-15 13:27         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 13:52           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-15 14:02             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 15:05         ` Jason Lunz
2003-08-15 13:04       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 13:10         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-15 13:33           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 13:53             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-16 13:02               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-16 14:09                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-17 21:54                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-18 12:22                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki [this message]
2003-08-18 10:29                 ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-19 13:04                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-19 17:48                     ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-21 11:37                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-21 12:44                         ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-21 13:45                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-21 14:28                             ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-21 14:38                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-21 13:48                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-21 14:08                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-21 14:14                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-21 14:33                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-21 14:44                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-21 15:03                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-21 15:29                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-16 13:01             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-15 12:46     ` Neil Brown
2003-08-15 12:54       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-15 13:52       ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-15 14:13         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-16  7:57           ` Neil Brown
2003-08-18 16:01             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-19 11:40               ` Neil Brown
2003-08-19 11:50                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-19 23:59                   ` Neil Brown
2003-08-20 22:36             ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-20 22:58               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-20 23:52                 ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-21  0:03                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-21  0:33                     ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-21  1:36                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-21  8:08                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-21  8:06                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-21 11:40                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-21 12:48                       ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-21 13:22                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-21 13:29                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-21  8:01                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-22  0:27                     ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-22  7:33                       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-25  4:22                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-25  8:22                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-25 19:36                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-03  8:06                               ` Pavel Machek
2003-08-22 13:35                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-16 15:15 John Bradford
2003-08-18 11:53 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-08-19 19:37 John Bradford
2003-08-19 23:58 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-20  5:59 John Bradford
2003-08-20 15:17 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-21 12:11 John Bradford
2003-08-21 12:26 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-08-23 12:30 Norman Diamond
2003-08-25  4:24 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-25 12:15   ` Norman Diamond
2003-08-25  8:45 John Bradford
2003-08-25 12:47 John Bradford

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