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From: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
To: Jamie Lokier <lk@tantalophile.demon.co.uk>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Question about pseudo filesystems
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:43:46 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0209072232500.23664-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020908032121.A23455@kushida.apsleyroad.org>



On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Jamie Lokier wrote:

> Alexander Viro wrote:
> > It is neither safe nor needed.  Please, look at the previous posting again -
> > neither variant calls mntput() in ->release().
> > 
> > Now, __fput() _does_ call mntput() - always.  And yes, if that happens to
> > be the final reference - it's OK.
> 
> Thanks, that's really nice.
> 
> I'd assumed `kern_mount' was similar to mounting a normal filesystem,
> but in a non-existent namespace.  Traditionally in unix you can't
> unmount a filesystem when its in use, and mounts don't disappear when
> the last file being used on them disappears.
> 
> But you've rather cutely arranged that these kinds of mount _do_
> disappear when the last file being used on them disappears.  Clever, if
> a bit disturbing.

Normal mount _is_ do_kern_mount() + pinning down the resulting vfsmount +
attaching it to mountpoint.

The second part is what keeps them alive until fs is unmounted.  Moreover,
umount itself is just
	check refcount, return -EBUSY if the thing is busy and MNT_DETACH is
not given.
	detach from mountpoint
	drop the reference

Notice that umount _with_ MNT_DETACH will happily skip that check - and
that will simply detach filesystem from mountpoint with fs shutdown
postponed until it stops being busy.

IOW, filesystem shutdown is _always_ a garbage collection - there's nothing
special about vfsmounts that are not mounted somewhere.  Check for fs
being busy in umount(2) is just a compatibility code - kernel is perfectly
happy with dissolving mountpoints, busy or not.  If stuff mounted is not
busy it will be shut down immediately, if not - when it stops being busy.

It's actually very similar to relation between open(), unlink() and close() -
you can unlink opened files and their contents will be there until the
final close(); then it will be killed.


  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-08  2:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-04 18:02 Question about pseudo filesystems Jamie Lokier
2002-09-07 12:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-07 13:36   ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-07 18:27     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-07 19:47       ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-08  2:21         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-08  2:43           ` Alexander Viro [this message]
2002-09-15  1:41             ` Moving a mount point (was Re: Question about pseudo filesystems) Rob Landley
2002-09-08 16:00           ` Question about pseudo filesystems Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 19:48             ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-09 20:06               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  0:44                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  1:40                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  1:56                     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  2:53                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  3:26                         ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  3:47                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  9:15                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10 10:17                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-11 18:35                       ` [RFC] Raceless module interface Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 18:53                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-11 19:20                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 20:29                             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-11 21:15                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-11 21:26                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-11 21:47                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  1:42                                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  2:09                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-12  3:13                                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  3:47                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  3:53                                             ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-12  4:11                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  4:40                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  5:27                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12 14:46                                                   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-09-13  0:39                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  2:23                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  5:35                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  4:52                                             ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  5:58                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  7:00                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  8:18                                           ` Helge Hafting
2002-09-12  3:32                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-12  1:31                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12  9:10                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-09-12 11:27                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-12 13:03                           ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-12 13:44                             ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13  1:30                               ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13  2:19                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13  6:51                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-13 13:34                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 13:52                                       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 14:09                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 14:33                                           ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 14:44                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 14:59                                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 15:17                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:27                                                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 15:37                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  2:17                                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-16 16:13                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 16:36                                         ` Understanding the Principles of Argumentation #3 Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 16:42                                           ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-09-16 17:29                                           ` Cort Dougan
2002-09-16 22:31                                         ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-01 14:13                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-01 14:27                                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-13 15:59                                     ` [RFC] Raceless module interface Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13  3:14                                 ` David Gibson
2002-09-13 10:35                                 ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 13:53                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:13                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 15:30                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 15:55                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-13 16:09                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-13 16:39                                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-09-13 17:12                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16  0:24                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-16  1:49                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-09-16 21:36                                     ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-16 21:48                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-16 22:44                                         ` Roman Zippel
2002-09-11 15:28                 ` Question about pseudo filesystems Bill Davidsen
2002-09-11 19:36                   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 20:12               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-09 22:56                 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-09-10  1:39                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-09-09 20:18               ` Daniel Phillips
2002-09-10  6:48                 ` Kai Henningsen

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