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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: stern@rowland.harvard.edu, alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com,
	hpa@zytor.com, andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com,
	mingo@kernel.org, paulmck@kernel.org, vincent.weaver@maine.edu,
	tglx@linutronix.de, jolsa@redhat.com, acme@redhat.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	eranian@google.com, will@kernel.org
Cc: linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tip:locking/core] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 13:00:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YTiXyiA92dM9726M@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <tip-6e89e831a90172bc3d34ecbba52af5b9c4a447d1@git.kernel.org>

On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 03:11:10AM -0700, tip-bot for Alan Stern wrote:
> Commit-ID:  6e89e831a90172bc3d34ecbba52af5b9c4a447d1
> Gitweb:     https://git.kernel.org/tip/6e89e831a90172bc3d34ecbba52af5b9c4a447d1
> Author:     Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
> AuthorDate: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:29:17 -0700
> Committer:  Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
> CommitDate: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 10:28:01 +0200
> 
> tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire
> 
> More than one kernel developer has expressed the opinion that the LKMM
> should enforce ordering of writes by locking.  In other words, given
> the following code:
> 
> 	WRITE_ONCE(x, 1);
> 	spin_unlock(&s):
> 	spin_lock(&s);
> 	WRITE_ONCE(y, 1);
> 
> the stores to x and y should be propagated in order to all other CPUs,
> even though those other CPUs might not access the lock s.  In terms of
> the memory model, this means expanding the cumul-fence relation.

Let me revive this old thread... recently we ran into the case:

	WRITE_ONCE(x, 1);
	spin_unlock(&s):
	spin_lock(&r);
	WRITE_ONCE(y, 1);

which is distinct from the original in that UNLOCK and LOCK are not on
the same variable.

I'm arguing this should still be RCtso by reason of:

  spin_lock() requires an atomic-acquire which:

    TSO-arch)		implies smp_mb()
    ARM64)		is RCsc for any stlr/ldar
    Power)		LWSYNC
    Risc-V)		fence r , rw
    *)			explicitly has smp_mb()


However, Boqun points out that the memory model disagrees, per:

  https://lkml.kernel.org/r/YTI2UjKy+C7LeIf+@boqun-archlinux

Is this an error/oversight of the memory model, or did I miss a subtlety
somewhere?

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-08 11:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-26 18:28 [PATCH memory-model 0/5] Updates to the formal memory model Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 1/5] tools/memory-model: Add litmus-test naming scheme Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:10   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 2/5] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:11   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Alan Stern
2021-09-08 11:00     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-09-08 11:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-08 14:42         ` Alan Stern
2021-09-08 15:12           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-08 16:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-09  7:25             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-09 13:35               ` Will Deacon
2021-09-09 17:02                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-09 18:59                   ` Alan Stern
2021-09-09 17:03                 ` Dan Lustig
2021-09-09 18:00                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-10 14:20                     ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10 15:33                       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-09-10 16:36                       ` Alan Stern
2021-09-10 17:12                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-10 17:56                           ` Alan Stern
2021-09-10 17:17                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-12  0:26                         ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10  0:01                   ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10  5:37                     ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10  9:33                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-10 10:04                       ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10 13:48                         ` Dan Lustig
2021-09-10 14:15                           ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-09 17:46                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-10 11:08                   ` Will Deacon
2021-09-17  3:21                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-09-17  5:31                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-09-17 14:36                     ` Michael Ellerman
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 3/5] tools/memory-model: Fix a README typo Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:11   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for SeongJae Park
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 4/5] tools/memory-model: Add more LKMM limitations Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:12   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 5/5] doc: Replace smp_cond_acquire() with smp_cond_load_acquire() Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:12   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/memory-barriers: " tip-bot for Andrea Parri
2018-10-02  8:28 ` [PATCH memory-model 0/5] Updates to the formal memory model Ingo Molnar

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