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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Vince Weaver <vincent.weaver@maine.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tip:locking/core] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2021 09:25:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YTm26u9i3hpjrNpr@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wiXJygbW+_1BdSX6M8j6z4w8gRSHVcaD5saihaNJApnoQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 09:08:33AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> So if this is purely a RISC-V thing,

Just to clarify, I think the current RISC-V thing is stonger than
PowerPC, but maybe not as strong as say ARM64, but RISC-V memory
ordering is still somewhat hazy to me.

Specifically, the sequence:

	/* critical section s */
	WRITE_ONCE(x, 1);
	FENCE RW, W
	WRITE_ONCE(s.lock, 0);		/* store S */
	AMOSWAP %0, 1, r.lock		/* store R */
	FENCE R, RW
	WRITE_ONCE(y, 1);
	/* critical section r */

fully separates section s from section r, as in RW->RW ordering
(possibly not as strong as smp_mb() though), while on PowerPC it would
only impose TSO ordering between sections.

The AMOSWAP is a RmW and as such matches the W from the RW->W fence,
similarly it marches the R from the R->RW fence, yielding an:

	RW->  W
	    RmW
	    R  ->RW

ordering. It's the stores S and R that can be re-ordered, but not the
sections themselves (same on PowerPC and many others).

Clarification from a RISC-V enabled person would be appreciated.

> then I think it's entirely reasonable to
> 
>         spin_unlock(&r);
>         spin_lock(&s);
> 
> cannot be reordered.

I'm obviously completely in favour of that :-)

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-09  7:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-26 18:28 [PATCH memory-model 0/5] Updates to the formal memory model Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 1/5] tools/memory-model: Add litmus-test naming scheme Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:10   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 2/5] tools/memory-model: Add extra ordering for locks and remove it for ordinary release/acquire Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:11   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Alan Stern
2021-09-08 11:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-08 11:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-08 14:42         ` Alan Stern
2021-09-08 15:12           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-08 16:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-09  7:25             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-09-09 13:35               ` Will Deacon
2021-09-09 17:02                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-09 18:59                   ` Alan Stern
2021-09-09 17:03                 ` Dan Lustig
2021-09-09 18:00                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-10 14:20                     ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10 15:33                       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2021-09-10 16:36                       ` Alan Stern
2021-09-10 17:12                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-10 17:56                           ` Alan Stern
2021-09-10 17:17                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-12  0:26                         ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10  0:01                   ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10  5:37                     ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10  9:33                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-10 10:04                       ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-10 13:48                         ` Dan Lustig
2021-09-10 14:15                           ` Boqun Feng
2021-09-09 17:46                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-09-10 11:08                   ` Will Deacon
2021-09-17  3:21                     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-09-17  5:31                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-09-17 14:36                     ` Michael Ellerman
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 3/5] tools/memory-model: Fix a README typo Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:11   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for SeongJae Park
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 4/5] tools/memory-model: Add more LKMM limitations Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:12   ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2018-09-26 18:29 ` [PATCH memory-model 5/5] doc: Replace smp_cond_acquire() with smp_cond_load_acquire() Paul E. McKenney
2018-10-02 10:12   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/memory-barriers: " tip-bot for Andrea Parri
2018-10-02  8:28 ` [PATCH memory-model 0/5] Updates to the formal memory model Ingo Molnar

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