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From: Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>
To: Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: mingo@kernel.org, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
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Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH 05/15] sched/fair: Implement an EEVDF like policy
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 12:14:30 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a54a4ccb-9d56-4686-93b6-e9bbbe01f625@bytedance.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xm265y3sodyo.fsf@google.com>

在 9/30/23 5:40 AM, Benjamin Segall Wrote:
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:
> 
>> +
>> +/*
>> + * Earliest Eligible Virtual Deadline First
>> + *
>> + * In order to provide latency guarantees for different request sizes
>> + * EEVDF selects the best runnable task from two criteria:
>> + *
>> + *  1) the task must be eligible (must be owed service)
>> + *
>> + *  2) from those tasks that meet 1), we select the one
>> + *     with the earliest virtual deadline.
>> + *
>> + * We can do this in O(log n) time due to an augmented RB-tree. The
>> + * tree keeps the entries sorted on service, but also functions as a
>> + * heap based on the deadline by keeping:
>> + *
>> + *  se->min_deadline = min(se->deadline, se->{left,right}->min_deadline)
>> + *
>> + * Which allows an EDF like search on (sub)trees.
>> + */
>> +static struct sched_entity *pick_eevdf(struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq)
>> +{
>> +	struct rb_node *node = cfs_rq->tasks_timeline.rb_root.rb_node;
>> +	struct sched_entity *curr = cfs_rq->curr;
>> +	struct sched_entity *best = NULL;
>> +
>> +	if (curr && (!curr->on_rq || !entity_eligible(cfs_rq, curr)))
>> +		curr = NULL;
>> +
>> +	while (node) {
>> +		struct sched_entity *se = __node_2_se(node);
>> +
>> +		/*
>> +		 * If this entity is not eligible, try the left subtree.
>> +		 */
>> +		if (!entity_eligible(cfs_rq, se)) {
>> +			node = node->rb_left;
>> +			continue;
>> +		}
>> +
>> +		/*
>> +		 * If this entity has an earlier deadline than the previous
>> +		 * best, take this one. If it also has the earliest deadline
>> +		 * of its subtree, we're done.
>> +		 */
>> +		if (!best || deadline_gt(deadline, best, se)) {
>> +			best = se;
>> +			if (best->deadline == best->min_deadline)
>> +				break;
>> +		}
>> +
>> +		/*
>> +		 * If the earlest deadline in this subtree is in the fully
>> +		 * eligible left half of our space, go there.
>> +		 */
>> +		if (node->rb_left &&
>> +		    __node_2_se(node->rb_left)->min_deadline == se->min_deadline) {
>> +			node = node->rb_left;
>> +			continue;
>> +		}
>> +
>> +		node = node->rb_right;
>> +	}
> 
> I believe that this can fail to actually find the earliest eligible
> deadline, because the earliest deadline (min_deadline) can be in the
> right branch, but that se isn't eligible, and the actual target se is in
> the left branch. A trivial 3-se example with the nodes represented by
> (vruntime, deadline, min_deadline):
> 
>     (5,9,7)
>   /        \
> (4,8,8)  (6,7,7)
> 
> AIUI, here the EEVDF pick should be (4,8,8), but pick_eevdf() will
> instead pick (5,9,7), because it goes into the right branch and then
> fails eligibility.
> 
> I'm not sure how much of a problem this is in practice, either in
> frequency or severity, but it probably should be mentioned if it's
> an intentional tradeoff.

Assume entity i satisfies (d_i == min_deadline) && (v_i > V), there
must be an eligible entity j with (d_j >= d_i) && (v_j < V). Given
that how deadline is calculated, it can be inferred that:

	vslice_i < vslice_j

IOW a more batch-like entity with looser deadline will beat entities
that is more interactive-like even with tighter deadline, only because
the former is eligible while the latter isn't.

With Benjamin's fix, the semantics of 'Earliest Eligible' preserved.
But since all this is about latency rather than fairness, I wonder if
there are cases worthy of breaking the 'eligible' rule.

Thanks & Best,
	Abel

> 
> 
> 
> Thinking out loud, I think that it would be sufficient to recheck via something like
> 
> for_each_sched_entity(best) {
> 	check __node_2_se(best->rb_left)->min_deadline, store in actual_best
> }
> 
> for the best min_deadline, and then go do a heap lookup in actual_best
> to find the se matching that min_deadline.
> 
> I think this pass could then be combined with our initial descent for
> better cache behavior by keeping track of the best rb_left->min_deadline
> each time we take a right branch. We still have to look at up to ~2x the
> nodes, but I don't think that's avoidable? I'll expand my quick hack I
> used to test my simple case into a something of a stress tester and try
> some implementations.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-11  4:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-31 11:58 [PATCH 00/15] sched: EEVDF and latency-nice and/or slice-attr Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 01/15] sched/fair: Add avg_vruntime Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-02 13:51   ` Vincent Guittot
2023-06-02 14:27     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-05  7:18       ` Vincent Guittot
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: Add cfs_rq::avg_vruntime tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11  4:15   ` [PATCH 01/15] sched/fair: Add avg_vruntime Abel Wu
2023-10-11  7:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11  8:30       ` Abel Wu
2023-10-11  9:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11 10:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11 13:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 02/15] sched/fair: Remove START_DEBIT Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: Remove sched_feat(START_DEBIT) tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 03/15] sched/fair: Add lag based placement Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11 12:00   ` [PATCH 03/15] " Abel Wu
2023-10-11 13:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-12  7:04       ` Abel Wu
2023-10-13  7:37         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-13  8:14           ` Abel Wu
2023-10-12 19:15   ` Benjamin Segall
2023-10-12 22:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-13 16:35       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-14  8:08         ` Mike Galbraith
2023-10-13 14:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 04/15] rbtree: Add rb_add_augmented_cached() helper Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 05/15] sched/fair: Implement an EEVDF like policy Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: Implement an EEVDF-like scheduling policy tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-29 21:40   ` [PATCH 05/15] sched/fair: Implement an EEVDF like policy Benjamin Segall
2023-10-02 17:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11  4:14     ` Abel Wu [this message]
2023-10-11  7:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11 11:49         ` Abel Wu
2023-09-30  0:09   ` [PATCH] sched/fair: fix pick_eevdf to always find the correct se Benjamin Segall
2023-10-03 10:42     ` [tip: sched/urgent] sched/fair: Fix pick_eevdf() tip-bot2 for Benjamin Segall
     [not found]     ` <CGME20231004203940eucas1p2f73b017497d1f4239a6e236fdb6019e2@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2023-10-04 20:39       ` [PATCH] sched/fair: fix pick_eevdf to always find the correct se Marek Szyprowski
2023-10-09  7:53     ` [tip: sched/urgent] sched/eevdf: Fix pick_eevdf() tip-bot2 for Benjamin Segall
2023-10-11 12:12     ` [PATCH] sched/fair: fix pick_eevdf to always find the correct se Abel Wu
2023-10-11 13:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-12 10:04         ` Abel Wu
2023-10-11 21:01       ` Benjamin Segall
2023-10-12 10:25         ` Abel Wu
2023-10-12 17:51           ` Benjamin Segall
2023-10-13  3:46             ` Abel Wu
2023-10-13 16:51               ` Benjamin Segall
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 06/15] sched: Commit to lag based placement Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 07/15] sched/smp: Use lag to simplify cross-runqueue placement Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 15:32   ` [PATCH 07/15] " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-09-13  9:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-04  1:17   ` [PATCH] sched/fair: Preserve PLACE_DEADLINE_INITIAL deadline Daniel Jordan
2023-10-04 13:09     ` [PATCH v2] " Daniel Jordan
2023-10-04 15:46       ` Chen Yu
2023-10-06 16:31         ` Daniel Jordan
2023-10-12  4:48       ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-10-05  5:56     ` [PATCH] " K Prateek Nayak
2023-10-06 16:35       ` Daniel Jordan
2023-10-06 16:48   ` [PATCH] sched/fair: Always update_curr() before placing at enqueue Daniel Jordan
2023-10-06 19:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-18  0:43       ` Daniel Jordan
2023-10-16  5:39     ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 08/15] sched: Commit to EEVDF Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-16 21:23   ` Joel Fernandes
2023-06-22 12:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2023-06-22 13:11       ` Joel Fernandes
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 09/15] sched/debug: Rename min_granularity to base_slice Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/debug: Rename sysctl_sched_min_granularity to sysctl_sched_base_slice tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 10/15] sched/fair: Propagate enqueue flags into place_entity() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10  7:10   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [PATCH 11/15] sched/eevdf: Better handle mixed slice length Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-02 13:45   ` Vincent Guittot
2023-06-02 15:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-10  6:34   ` Chen Yu
2023-06-10 11:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/15] sched: Introduce latency-nice as a per-task attribute Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/15] sched/fair: Implement latency-nice Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-06 14:54   ` Vincent Guittot
2023-06-08 10:34     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-08 12:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-11 23:24   ` Benjamin Segall
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/15] sched/fair: Add sched group latency support Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-31 11:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/15] sched/eevdf: Use sched_attr::sched_runtime to set request/slice Peter Zijlstra
2023-06-01 13:55   ` Vincent Guittot
2023-06-08 11:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-24  0:52 ` [PATCH 00/15] sched: EEVDF and latency-nice and/or slice-attr Daniel Jordan
2023-09-06 13:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-29 16:54     ` Youssef Esmat
2023-10-02 15:55       ` Youssef Esmat
2023-10-02 18:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-05 12:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-05 14:14           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-05 14:42             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-05 18:23           ` Youssef Esmat
2023-10-06  0:36             ` Youssef Esmat
2023-10-10  8:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-07 22:04           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-09 14:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-10  0:51             ` Youssef Esmat
2023-10-10  8:01               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-16 16:50               ` Peter Zijlstra

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