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From: Joseph Lo <josephl@nvidia.com>
To: Peter De Schrijver <pdeschrijver@nvidia.com>,
	Jon Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>
Cc: linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	linux-clk@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/19] dt-bindings: clock: tegra124-dfll: Update DFLL binding for PWM regulator
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 17:36:27 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1293c1a9-a39b-6193-99a1-cdf1d67d2ca8@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181211091641.GB29064@pdeschrijver-desktop.Nvidia.com>

On 12/11/18 5:16 PM, Peter De Schrijver wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 08:59:10AM +0000, Jon Hunter wrote:
>>
>> On 10/12/2018 08:49, Joseph Lo wrote:
>>> Hi Jon,
>>>
>>> Thanks for reviewing this series.
>>>
>>> On 12/7/18 9:41 PM, Jon Hunter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 04/12/2018 09:25, Joseph Lo wrote:
>>>>> From: Peter De Schrijver <pdeschrijver@nvidia.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Add new properties to configure the DFLL PWM regulator support. Also
>>>>> add an example and make the I2C clock only required when I2C support is
>>>>> used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cc: devicetree@vger.kernel.org
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Peter De Schrijver <pdeschrijver@nvidia.com>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Joseph Lo <josephl@nvidia.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>    .../bindings/clock/nvidia,tegra124-dfll.txt   | 73 ++++++++++++++++++-
>>>>>    1 file changed, 71 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git
>>>>> a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/nvidia,tegra124-dfll.txt
>>>>> b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/nvidia,tegra124-dfll.txt
>>>>> index dff236f524a7..8c97600d2bad 100644
>>>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/nvidia,tegra124-dfll.txt
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/nvidia,tegra124-dfll.txt
>>>>> @@ -8,7 +8,6 @@ the fast CPU cluster. It consists of a free-running
>>>>> voltage controlled
>>>>>    oscillator connected to the CPU voltage rail (VDD_CPU), and a
>>>>> closed loop
>>>>>    control module that will automatically adjust the VDD_CPU voltage by
>>>>>    communicating with an off-chip PMIC either via an I2C bus or via
>>>>> PWM signals.
>>>>> -Currently only the I2C mode is supported by these bindings.
>>>>>      Required properties:
>>>>>    - compatible : should be "nvidia,tegra124-dfll"
>>>>> @@ -45,10 +44,28 @@ Required properties for the control loop parameters:
>>>>>    Optional properties for the control loop parameters:
>>>>>    - nvidia,cg-scale: Boolean value, see the field
>>>>> DFLL_PARAMS_CG_SCALE in the TRM.
>>>>>    +Optional properties for mode selection:
>>>>> +- nvidia,pwm-to-pmic: Use PWM to control regulator rather then I2C.
>>>>> +
>>>>>    Required properties for I2C mode:
>>>>>    - nvidia,i2c-fs-rate: I2C transfer rate, if using full speed mode.
>>>>>    -Example:
>>>>> +Required properties for PWM mode:
>>>>> +- nvidia,pwm-period: period of PWM square wave in microseconds.
>>>>> +- nvidia,init-uv: Regulator voltage in micro volts when PWM control
>>>>> is disabled.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe consider 'pwm-inactive-voltage-microvolt'.
>>> Ah, I think I need to refine the description here. It should be
>>> something like below.
>>>   - nvidia,pwm-init-microvolt : Regulator voltage in micro volts when PWM
>>> control is initialized
>>>
>>> This is the initial voltage that when we just initialize the DFLL
>>> hardware for PWM output. And before we switch the CPU clock from PLLX to
>>> DFLL, we will enable DFLL hardware in closed loop mode which will aplly
>>> the DVFS table that was calculated from CVB table.
>>>
>>> The original description maybe make you think that it's the working
>>> voltage when it's under open-loop mode. But it's not. Sorry.
>>>
>>> When we working on open-loop mode which will switch to low voltage range
>>> which also follows the DVFS table. Not this one.
>>
>> OK, but I am still not sure what this voltage is. I mean that I
>> understand it is the initial voltage, but how exactly do we define this
>> number? Where does it come from, how is this determined?
>>
> 
> It is set by a resistive divider on the board iirc.

Yes, correct. The previous reply I did was the case of I2C regulator. 
Sorry, I made the confusion here.

> 
>>>>
>>>>> +- nvidia,align-offset-uv: Regulator voltage in micro volts when PWM
>>>>> control is
>>>>> +              enabled and PWM output is low.
>>>>
>>>> Would this be considered the minimum pwm active voltage?
>>> This would be used for minimum voltage for LUT table, which is the table
>>> that PMIC can output. The real minimum voltage in PWM mode still depends
>>> on the CVB table.
>>>
>>> So maybe change this one to 'nvidia,pwm-offset-uv'.
>>
>> So is this the min supported by the PMIC? Maybe the name should reflect
>> that because the above name does not reflect this. Furthermore, if this
>> is a min then maybe the name should use 'min' as opposed to 'offset'.
>> for example, 'nvidia,pwm-pmic-min-microvolts'.
>>
>> Does this need to be described in DT, can it not be queried from the PMIC?
>>
> 
> There is no interface to query anything from the OVR regulator.
> 
> Peter.
> 

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From: Joseph Lo <josephl@nvidia.com>
To: Peter De Schrijver <pdeschrijver@nvidia.com>,
	Jon Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>
Cc: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-clk@vger.kernel.org>,
	<devicetree@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/19] dt-bindings: clock: tegra124-dfll: Update DFLL binding for PWM regulator
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 17:36:27 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1293c1a9-a39b-6193-99a1-cdf1d67d2ca8@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181211091641.GB29064@pdeschrijver-desktop.Nvidia.com>

On 12/11/18 5:16 PM, Peter De Schrijver wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 08:59:10AM +0000, Jon Hunter wrote:
>>
>> On 10/12/2018 08:49, Joseph Lo wrote:
>>> Hi Jon,
>>>
>>> Thanks for reviewing this series.
>>>
>>> On 12/7/18 9:41 PM, Jon Hunter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 04/12/2018 09:25, Joseph Lo wrote:
>>>>> From: Peter De Schrijver <pdeschrijver@nvidia.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Add new properties to configure the DFLL PWM regulator support. Also
>>>>> add an example and make the I2C clock only required when I2C support is
>>>>> used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cc: devicetree@vger.kernel.org
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Peter De Schrijver <pdeschrijver@nvidia.com>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Joseph Lo <josephl@nvidia.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>    .../bindings/clock/nvidia,tegra124-dfll.txt   | 73 ++++++++++++++++++-
>>>>>    1 file changed, 71 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git
>>>>> a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/nvidia,tegra124-dfll.txt
>>>>> b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/nvidia,tegra124-dfll.txt
>>>>> index dff236f524a7..8c97600d2bad 100644
>>>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/nvidia,tegra124-dfll.txt
>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/clock/nvidia,tegra124-dfll.txt
>>>>> @@ -8,7 +8,6 @@ the fast CPU cluster. It consists of a free-running
>>>>> voltage controlled
>>>>>    oscillator connected to the CPU voltage rail (VDD_CPU), and a
>>>>> closed loop
>>>>>    control module that will automatically adjust the VDD_CPU voltage by
>>>>>    communicating with an off-chip PMIC either via an I2C bus or via
>>>>> PWM signals.
>>>>> -Currently only the I2C mode is supported by these bindings.
>>>>>      Required properties:
>>>>>    - compatible : should be "nvidia,tegra124-dfll"
>>>>> @@ -45,10 +44,28 @@ Required properties for the control loop parameters:
>>>>>    Optional properties for the control loop parameters:
>>>>>    - nvidia,cg-scale: Boolean value, see the field
>>>>> DFLL_PARAMS_CG_SCALE in the TRM.
>>>>>    +Optional properties for mode selection:
>>>>> +- nvidia,pwm-to-pmic: Use PWM to control regulator rather then I2C.
>>>>> +
>>>>>    Required properties for I2C mode:
>>>>>    - nvidia,i2c-fs-rate: I2C transfer rate, if using full speed mode.
>>>>>    -Example:
>>>>> +Required properties for PWM mode:
>>>>> +- nvidia,pwm-period: period of PWM square wave in microseconds.
>>>>> +- nvidia,init-uv: Regulator voltage in micro volts when PWM control
>>>>> is disabled.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe consider 'pwm-inactive-voltage-microvolt'.
>>> Ah, I think I need to refine the description here. It should be
>>> something like below.
>>>   - nvidia,pwm-init-microvolt : Regulator voltage in micro volts when PWM
>>> control is initialized
>>>
>>> This is the initial voltage that when we just initialize the DFLL
>>> hardware for PWM output. And before we switch the CPU clock from PLLX to
>>> DFLL, we will enable DFLL hardware in closed loop mode which will aplly
>>> the DVFS table that was calculated from CVB table.
>>>
>>> The original description maybe make you think that it's the working
>>> voltage when it's under open-loop mode. But it's not. Sorry.
>>>
>>> When we working on open-loop mode which will switch to low voltage range
>>> which also follows the DVFS table. Not this one.
>>
>> OK, but I am still not sure what this voltage is. I mean that I
>> understand it is the initial voltage, but how exactly do we define this
>> number? Where does it come from, how is this determined?
>>
> 
> It is set by a resistive divider on the board iirc.

Yes, correct. The previous reply I did was the case of I2C regulator. 
Sorry, I made the confusion here.

> 
>>>>
>>>>> +- nvidia,align-offset-uv: Regulator voltage in micro volts when PWM
>>>>> control is
>>>>> +              enabled and PWM output is low.
>>>>
>>>> Would this be considered the minimum pwm active voltage?
>>> This would be used for minimum voltage for LUT table, which is the table
>>> that PMIC can output. The real minimum voltage in PWM mode still depends
>>> on the CVB table.
>>>
>>> So maybe change this one to 'nvidia,pwm-offset-uv'.
>>
>> So is this the min supported by the PMIC? Maybe the name should reflect
>> that because the above name does not reflect this. Furthermore, if this
>> is a min then maybe the name should use 'min' as opposed to 'offset'.
>> for example, 'nvidia,pwm-pmic-min-microvolts'.
>>
>> Does this need to be described in DT, can it not be queried from the PMIC?
>>
> 
> There is no interface to query anything from the OVR regulator.
> 
> Peter.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-11  9:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 213+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-04  9:25 [PATCH 00/19] Tegra210 DFLL support Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25 ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25 ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 01/19] dt-bindings: clock: tegra124-dfll: Update DFLL binding for PWM regulator Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 13:41   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 13:41     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 13:41     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-10  8:49     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-10  8:49       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-10  8:49       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-10  8:59       ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-10  8:59         ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-10  8:59         ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-10  9:31         ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-10  9:31           ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-10  9:44           ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-10  9:44             ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-10  9:44             ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-11  1:28             ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  1:28               ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  9:16         ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-11  9:16           ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-11  9:16           ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-11  9:36           ` Joseph Lo [this message]
2018-12-11  9:36             ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  9:15     ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-11  9:15       ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-11  9:15       ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-11 11:52       ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-11 11:52         ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-11 11:52         ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-12  1:52         ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-12  1:52           ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-12  1:52           ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 02/19] dt-bindings: clock: tegra124-dfll: add Tegra210 support Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 13:50   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 13:50     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 13:50     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 03/19] dt-bindings: cpufreq: tegra124: remove vdd-cpu-supply from required properties Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04 15:36   ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-04 15:36     ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-04 15:36     ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-05  3:05     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  3:05       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  3:05       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  9:37       ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-05  9:37         ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-05  9:37         ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-07 13:52   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 13:52     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 13:52     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 04/19] dt-bindings: cpufreq: tegra124: remove cpu_lp clock " Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04 15:37   ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-04 15:37     ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-04 15:37     ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-05  3:10     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  3:10       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  3:10       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 13:53   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 13:53     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 13:53     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 05/19] clk: tegra: dfll: registration for multiple SoCs Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 13:55   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 13:55     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 13:55     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 06/19] clk: tegra: dfll: CVB calculation alignment with the regulator Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:10   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:10     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:10     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-11  6:23     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  6:23       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  6:23       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 07/19] clk: tegra: dfll: support PWM regulator control Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04 15:53   ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-04 15:53     ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-04 15:53     ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-05  6:14     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  6:14       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  6:14       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:26   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:26     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:26     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-11  6:36     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  6:36       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  6:36       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 15:09   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 15:09     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 15:09     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-11  6:37     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  6:37       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  6:37       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 08/19] clk: tegra: dfll: round down voltages based on alignment Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04 15:46   ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-04 15:46     ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-04 15:46     ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-05  6:20     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  6:20       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  6:20       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  6:51       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  6:51         ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  9:11         ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-05  9:11           ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-05  9:11           ` Peter De Schrijver
2018-12-05  9:30           ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  9:30             ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:34   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:34     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:34     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 09/19] clk: tegra: dfll: add CVB tables for Tegra210 Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:39   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:39     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:39     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-11  7:34     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  7:34       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  7:34       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 10/19] clk: tegra: dfll: build clk-dfll.c for Tegra124 and Tegra210 Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:40   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:40     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:40     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 11/19] cpufreq: tegra124: do not handle the CPU rail Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:49   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:49     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:49     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-11  8:48     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  8:48       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  8:48       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 12/19] cpufreq: tegra124: extend to support Tegra210 Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:30   ` Viresh Kumar
2018-12-04  9:30     ` Viresh Kumar
2018-12-04  9:30     ` Viresh Kumar
2018-12-04 11:22   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2018-12-04 11:22     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2018-12-04 11:22     ` Dmitry Osipenko
2018-12-05  3:25     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  3:25       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  3:25       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:50   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:50     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:50     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 13/19] arm64: dts: tegra210: add DFLL clock Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:54   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:54     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:54     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 14/19] arm64: dts: tegra210: add CPU clocks Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:54   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:54     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:54     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 15/19] arm64: dts: tegra210-p2597: add pinmux for PWM-based DFLL support Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:55   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:55     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:55     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 16/19] arm64: dts: tegra210-p2371-2180: enable DFLL clock Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 14:57   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:57     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 14:57     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-11  8:52     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  8:52       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-11  8:52       ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 17/19] arm64: dts: tegra210-smaug: add CPU power rail regulator Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 15:03   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 15:03     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 15:03     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 18/19] arm64: dts: tegra210-smaug: enable DFLL clock Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 15:03   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 15:03     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 15:03     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04  9:25 ` [PATCH 19/19] arm64: defconfig: Enable MAX8973 regulator Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-04  9:25   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-07 15:04   ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 15:04     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-07 15:04     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-04 15:10 ` [PATCH 00/19] Tegra210 DFLL support Thierry Reding
2018-12-04 15:10   ` Thierry Reding
2018-12-05  6:11   ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  6:11     ` Joseph Lo
2018-12-05  6:11     ` Joseph Lo

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