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From: Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	SELinux-NSA <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Initial support for user namespace owned mounts
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:25:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150730172517.GB131344@ubuntu-hedt> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878u9xlgo8.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:05:27PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> writes:
> 
> > On 7/28/2015 1:40 PM, Seth Forshee wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 05:05:17PM -0700, Casey Schaufler wrote:
> >>>> This is what I currently think you want for user ns mounts:
> >>>>
> >>>>  1. smk_root and smk_default are assigned the label of the backing
> >>>>     device.
> >>>>  2. s_root is assigned the transmute property.
> >>>>  3. For existing files:
> >>>>     a. Files with the same label as the backing device are accessible.
> >>>>     b. Files with any other label are not accessible.
> >>> That's right. Accept correct data, reject anything that's not right.
> >>>
> >>>> If this is right, there are a couple lingering questions in my mind.
> >>>>
> >>>> First, what happens with files created in directories with the same
> >>>> label as the backing device but without the transmute property set? The
> >>>> inode for the new file will initially be labeled with smk_of_current(),
> >>>> but then during d_instantiate it will get smk_default and thus end up
> >>>> with the label we want. So that seems okay.
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
> >>>> The second is whether files with the SMACK64EXEC attribute is still a
> >>>> problem. It seems it is, for files with the same label as the backing
> >>>> store at least. I think we can simply skip the code that reads out this
> >>>> xattr and sets smk_task for user ns mounts, or else skip assigning the
> >>>> label to the new task in bprm_set_creds. The latter seems more
> >>>> consistent with the approach you've suggested for dealing with labels
> >>>> from disk.
> >>> Yes, I think that skipping the smk_fetch(XATTR_NAME_SMACKEXEC, ...) in
> >>> smack_d_instantiate for unprivileged mounts would do the trick.
> >>>
> >>>> So I guess all of that seems okay, though perhaps a bit restrictive
> >>>> given that the user who mounted the filesystem already has full access
> >>>> to the backing store.
> >>> In truth, there is no reason to expect that the "user" who did the
> >>> mount will ever have a Smack label that differs from the label of
> >>> the backing store. If what we've got here seems restrictive, it's
> >>> because you've got access from someone other than the "user".
> >>>
> >>>> Please let me know whether or not this matches up with what you are
> >>>> thinking, then I can procede with the implementation.
> >>> My current mindset is that, if you're going to allow unprivileged
> >>> mounts of user defined backing stores, this is as safe as we can
> >>> make it.
> >> All right, I've got a patch which I think does this, and I've managed to
> >> do some testing to confirm that it behaves like I expect. How does this
> >> look?
> >>
> >> What's missing is getting the label from the block device inode; as
> >> Stephen discovered the inode that I thought we could get the label from
> >> turned out to be the wrong one. Afaict we would need a new hook in order
> >> to do that, so for now I'm using the label of the proccess calling
> >> mount.
> >
> > That will be OK if the mount processing checks for write access to
> > the backing store. I haven't looked to see if it does. If it doesn't
> > the problems should be pretty obvious.
> 
> 
> do_new_mount
>   vfs_kern_mount
>     mount_fs
>       ...
>         mount_bdev
>           blkdev_get_by_path(...,FMODE_READ| FMODE_WRITE | FMODE_EXCL,...)
>             lookup_bdev
>               kern_path
>                 filename_lookup
>                   path_lookupat
>                     lookup_last
>                       walk_component
>             blkdev_get(...,mode,...)
>               __blkdev_get(...,mode,...)
>                 devcgroup_inode_permission(bdev->bd_inode, perm)
> 
> *scratches my head*
> 
> It looks like we don't actually check the permissions on the block
> device.  Tomoyo has a hack for it.  nfsd does something.  There is
> devcgroup silliness.
> 
> But overall it looks like we depend on capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN).
> 
> Seth I do believe we have found another area of the vfs we will need to
> short up before allowing unprivileged mounts of block device based
> filesystems.
> 
> It looks like there are enough hacks someone with a clue coming through
> and making the code make more sense seems like a good idea anyway.

Yep, I just came to the same conclusion myself, and I also verified the
behavior emperically. That's definitely a problem. I'll get to work on
fixing that.

Seth

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	SELinux-NSA <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Initial support for user namespace owned mounts
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:25:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150730172517.GB131344@ubuntu-hedt> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878u9xlgo8.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:05:27PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> writes:
> 
> > On 7/28/2015 1:40 PM, Seth Forshee wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 05:05:17PM -0700, Casey Schaufler wrote:
> >>>> This is what I currently think you want for user ns mounts:
> >>>>
> >>>>  1. smk_root and smk_default are assigned the label of the backing
> >>>>     device.
> >>>>  2. s_root is assigned the transmute property.
> >>>>  3. For existing files:
> >>>>     a. Files with the same label as the backing device are accessible.
> >>>>     b. Files with any other label are not accessible.
> >>> That's right. Accept correct data, reject anything that's not right.
> >>>
> >>>> If this is right, there are a couple lingering questions in my mind.
> >>>>
> >>>> First, what happens with files created in directories with the same
> >>>> label as the backing device but without the transmute property set? The
> >>>> inode for the new file will initially be labeled with smk_of_current(),
> >>>> but then during d_instantiate it will get smk_default and thus end up
> >>>> with the label we want. So that seems okay.
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
> >>>> The second is whether files with the SMACK64EXEC attribute is still a
> >>>> problem. It seems it is, for files with the same label as the backing
> >>>> store at least. I think we can simply skip the code that reads out this
> >>>> xattr and sets smk_task for user ns mounts, or else skip assigning the
> >>>> label to the new task in bprm_set_creds. The latter seems more
> >>>> consistent with the approach you've suggested for dealing with labels
> >>>> from disk.
> >>> Yes, I think that skipping the smk_fetch(XATTR_NAME_SMACKEXEC, ...) in
> >>> smack_d_instantiate for unprivileged mounts would do the trick.
> >>>
> >>>> So I guess all of that seems okay, though perhaps a bit restrictive
> >>>> given that the user who mounted the filesystem already has full access
> >>>> to the backing store.
> >>> In truth, there is no reason to expect that the "user" who did the
> >>> mount will ever have a Smack label that differs from the label of
> >>> the backing store. If what we've got here seems restrictive, it's
> >>> because you've got access from someone other than the "user".
> >>>
> >>>> Please let me know whether or not this matches up with what you are
> >>>> thinking, then I can procede with the implementation.
> >>> My current mindset is that, if you're going to allow unprivileged
> >>> mounts of user defined backing stores, this is as safe as we can
> >>> make it.
> >> All right, I've got a patch which I think does this, and I've managed to
> >> do some testing to confirm that it behaves like I expect. How does this
> >> look?
> >>
> >> What's missing is getting the label from the block device inode; as
> >> Stephen discovered the inode that I thought we could get the label from
> >> turned out to be the wrong one. Afaict we would need a new hook in order
> >> to do that, so for now I'm using the label of the proccess calling
> >> mount.
> >
> > That will be OK if the mount processing checks for write access to
> > the backing store. I haven't looked to see if it does. If it doesn't
> > the problems should be pretty obvious.
> 
> 
> do_new_mount
>   vfs_kern_mount
>     mount_fs
>       ...
>         mount_bdev
>           blkdev_get_by_path(...,FMODE_READ| FMODE_WRITE | FMODE_EXCL,...)
>             lookup_bdev
>               kern_path
>                 filename_lookup
>                   path_lookupat
>                     lookup_last
>                       walk_component
>             blkdev_get(...,mode,...)
>               __blkdev_get(...,mode,...)
>                 devcgroup_inode_permission(bdev->bd_inode, perm)
> 
> *scratches my head*
> 
> It looks like we don't actually check the permissions on the block
> device.  Tomoyo has a hack for it.  nfsd does something.  There is
> devcgroup silliness.
> 
> But overall it looks like we depend on capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN).
> 
> Seth I do believe we have found another area of the vfs we will need to
> short up before allowing unprivileged mounts of block device based
> filesystems.
> 
> It looks like there are enough hacks someone with a clue coming through
> and making the code make more sense seems like a good idea anyway.

Yep, I just came to the same conclusion myself, and I also verified the
behavior emperically. That's definitely a problem. I'll get to work on
fixing that.

Seth

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-30 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 232+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-15 19:46 [PATCH 0/7] Initial support for user namespace owned mounts Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 1/7] fs: Add user namesapace member to struct super_block Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16  2:47   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  2:47     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-08-05 21:03     ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-05 21:03       ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-05 21:19       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-08-05 21:19         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-08-06 14:20         ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-06 14:20           ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-06 14:51           ` Stephen Smalley
2015-08-06 14:51             ` Stephen Smalley
2015-08-06 15:44             ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-06 15:44               ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-06 16:11               ` Stephen Smalley
2015-08-06 16:11                 ` Stephen Smalley
2015-08-07 14:16                 ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-07 14:16                   ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-07 14:32           ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-07 14:32             ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-07 18:35             ` Casey Schaufler
2015-08-07 18:35               ` Casey Schaufler
2015-08-07 18:57               ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-07 18:57                 ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 2/7] userns: Simpilify MNT_NODEV handling Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 3/7] fs: Ignore file caps in mounts from other user namespaces Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 21:48   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-15 21:48     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-15 21:50     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-15 21:50       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-15 22:35       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-15 22:35         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  1:14         ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16  1:14           ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16  1:23           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  1:23             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16 13:06             ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 13:06               ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16  1:19         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  1:19           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  4:23           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  4:23             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  4:49             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  4:49               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  5:04               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  5:04                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  5:15                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  5:15                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  5:44                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  5:44                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16 13:13                     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 13:13                       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-17  0:43                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-17  0:43                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-29 16:04                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-29 16:04                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-29 16:18                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-29 16:18                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 4/7] fs: Treat foreign mounts as nosuid Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-17  6:46   ` Nikolay Borisov
2015-07-17  6:46     ` Nikolay Borisov
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 5/7] security: Restrict security attribute updates for userns mounts Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 6/7] selinux: Ignore security labels on user namespace mounts Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 13:23   ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-22 16:02     ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-22 16:14       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-22 16:14         ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-22 20:25         ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-22 20:25           ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-22 20:40           ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-22 20:40             ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-23 13:57             ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-23 13:57               ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-23 14:39               ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-23 14:39                 ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-23 15:36                 ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-23 15:36                   ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-23 16:23                   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-23 16:23                     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-24 15:11                     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-24 15:11                       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30 15:57                       ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-30 15:57                         ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-30 16:24                         ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30 16:24                           ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 7/7] smack: Don't use security labels for " Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 20:43   ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-15 20:43     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-15 20:36 ` [PATCH 0/7] Initial support for user namespace owned mounts Casey Schaufler
2015-07-15 20:36   ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-15 21:06   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-15 21:06     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-15 21:48     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 21:48       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 22:28       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-15 22:28         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  1:05         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  1:05           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  2:20           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  2:20             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16 13:12           ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-16 13:12             ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-15 23:04       ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-15 23:04         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-15 22:39     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-15 22:39       ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16  1:08       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  1:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  2:54         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16  2:54           ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16  4:47           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  4:47             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-17  0:09             ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-17  0:09               ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-17  0:42               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-17  0:42                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-17  2:47                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-17  2:47                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-21 17:37                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-21 17:37                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-22  7:56                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-22  7:56                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-22 14:09                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-22 14:09                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-22 16:52                         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-07-22 16:52                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-07-22 17:41                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-22 17:41                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-23  1:51                             ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-23  1:51                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-23 13:19                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-23 13:19                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-23 23:48                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-23 23:48                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-18  0:07                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-18  0:07                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-20 17:54             ` Colin Walters
2015-07-20 17:54               ` Colin Walters
2015-07-16 11:16     ` Lukasz Pawelczyk
2015-07-16 11:16       ` Lukasz Pawelczyk
2015-07-17  0:10       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-17  0:10         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-17 10:13         ` Lukasz Pawelczyk
2015-07-17 10:13           ` Lukasz Pawelczyk
2015-07-16  3:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  3:15   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16 13:59   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 13:59     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 15:09     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 15:09       ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 18:57       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 18:57         ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 21:42         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 21:42           ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 22:27           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16 22:27             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16 23:08             ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 23:08               ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 23:29               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16 23:29                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-17  0:45                 ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-17  0:45                   ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-17  0:59                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-17  0:59                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-17 14:28                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-17 14:28                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-17 14:56                       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-17 14:56                         ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-21 20:35                     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-21 20:35                       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-22  1:52                       ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-22  1:52                         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-22 15:56                         ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-22 15:56                           ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-22 18:10                           ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-22 18:10                             ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-22 19:32                             ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-22 19:32                               ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-23  0:05                               ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-23  0:05                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-23  0:15                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-23  0:15                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-23  5:15                                   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-23  5:15                                     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-23 21:48                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-23 21:48                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-28 20:40                                 ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-28 20:40                                   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30 16:18                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-30 16:18                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-30 17:05                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-30 17:05                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-30 17:25                                       ` Seth Forshee [this message]
2015-07-30 17:25                                         ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30 17:33                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-30 17:33                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-17 13:21           ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-17 13:21             ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-17 17:14             ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-17 17:14               ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 15:59     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 15:59       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30  4:24 Amir Goldstein
2015-07-30  4:24 ` Amir Goldstein
2015-07-30 13:55 ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30 13:55   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30 14:47   ` Amir Goldstein
2015-07-30 14:47     ` Amir Goldstein
2015-07-30 15:33     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-30 15:33       ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-30 15:52       ` Colin Walters
2015-07-30 15:52         ` Colin Walters
2015-07-30 16:15         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-30 16:15           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-30 13:57 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-07-30 13:57   ` Serge Hallyn
2015-07-30 15:09   ` Amir Goldstein
2015-07-30 15:09     ` Amir Goldstein
2015-07-31  8:11 Amir Goldstein
2015-07-31  8:11 ` Amir Goldstein
2015-07-31 19:56 ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-31 19:56   ` Casey Schaufler
2015-08-01 17:01   ` Amir Goldstein
2015-08-01 17:01     ` Amir Goldstein

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