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From: Seth Forshee <seth.forshee-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
To: Sheng Yang <sheng-bA7cAZRAfhAdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman"
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 18/21] fuse: Add support for pid namespaces
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:52:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160720125201.GA52079@ubuntu-hedt> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+2rt426_pshAauQizcxkfAq16vmEpB4sJ4genW_ucosH3j=zQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 07:44:11PM -0700, Sheng Yang wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Seth Forshee
> <seth.forshee-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > When the userspace process servicing fuse requests is running in
> > a pid namespace then pids passed via the fuse fd are not being
> > translated into that process' namespace. Translation is necessary
> > for the pid to be useful to that process.
> >
> > Since no use case currently exists for changing namespaces all
> > translations can be done relative to the pid namespace in use
> > when fuse_conn_init() is called. For fuse this translates to
> > mount time, and for cuse this is when /dev/cuse is opened. IO for
> > this connection from another namespace will return errors.
> >
> > Requests from processes whose pid cannot be translated into the
> > target namespace are not permitted, except for requests
> > allocated via fuse_get_req_nofail_nopages. For no-fail requests
> > in.h.pid will be 0 if the pid translation fails.
> 
> Hi Seth,
> 
> This patch caused a regression in our major container use case with
> FUSE in Ubuntu 16.04, as patch was checked in as Ubuntu Sauce in
> Ubuntu 4.4.0-6.21 kernel.
> 
> The use case is:
> 1. Create a Docker container.
> 2. Inside the container, start the FUSE backend, and mounted fs.
> 3. Following step 2 in the container, create a loopback device to map
> a file in the mounted fuse to create a block device, which will be
> available to the whole system.
> 
> It works well before this commit.
> 
> The use case is broken because no matter which namespace losetup runs,
> the real request from loopback device seems always come from init ns,
> thus it will be in different ns running fuse backend. So the request
> will got denied, because the ns running fuse won't able to see the
> things from higher level(level 0 in fact) pid namespace.
> 
> I think since init pid ns has ability to access any process in the
> system, it should able to access the fuse mounted by any pid namespace
> process as well.
> 
> What you think?

It sounds like we need to remove the restriction on accessing the
filesystem from a different pid namespace. I don't think this poses a
security problem. However there's no pid mapping that is usable by the
userspace fuse process, so what do we put in the fuse request? Probably
the only candidates are 0 and 0xffffffff.

So a question for the fuse developers - is one value or the other
preferrable for fuse_in_header.pid when the pid cannot be mapped, and is
this going to cause problems for any fuse filesystems? I suspect that
few filesystems actually look at the pid anyway, and already for a
filesystem mounted in a pid namespace the values being given to
userspace won't be correct for the namespace of the fuse process.

Seth

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From: Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>
To: Sheng Yang <sheng@yasker.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com>,
	Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>,
	Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
	Pavel Tikhomirov <ptikhomirov@virtuozzo.com>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, fuse-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 18/21] fuse: Add support for pid namespaces
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:52:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160720125201.GA52079@ubuntu-hedt> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+2rt426_pshAauQizcxkfAq16vmEpB4sJ4genW_ucosH3j=zQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 07:44:11PM -0700, Sheng Yang wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Seth Forshee
> <seth.forshee@canonical.com> wrote:
> > When the userspace process servicing fuse requests is running in
> > a pid namespace then pids passed via the fuse fd are not being
> > translated into that process' namespace. Translation is necessary
> > for the pid to be useful to that process.
> >
> > Since no use case currently exists for changing namespaces all
> > translations can be done relative to the pid namespace in use
> > when fuse_conn_init() is called. For fuse this translates to
> > mount time, and for cuse this is when /dev/cuse is opened. IO for
> > this connection from another namespace will return errors.
> >
> > Requests from processes whose pid cannot be translated into the
> > target namespace are not permitted, except for requests
> > allocated via fuse_get_req_nofail_nopages. For no-fail requests
> > in.h.pid will be 0 if the pid translation fails.
> 
> Hi Seth,
> 
> This patch caused a regression in our major container use case with
> FUSE in Ubuntu 16.04, as patch was checked in as Ubuntu Sauce in
> Ubuntu 4.4.0-6.21 kernel.
> 
> The use case is:
> 1. Create a Docker container.
> 2. Inside the container, start the FUSE backend, and mounted fs.
> 3. Following step 2 in the container, create a loopback device to map
> a file in the mounted fuse to create a block device, which will be
> available to the whole system.
> 
> It works well before this commit.
> 
> The use case is broken because no matter which namespace losetup runs,
> the real request from loopback device seems always come from init ns,
> thus it will be in different ns running fuse backend. So the request
> will got denied, because the ns running fuse won't able to see the
> things from higher level(level 0 in fact) pid namespace.
> 
> I think since init pid ns has ability to access any process in the
> system, it should able to access the fuse mounted by any pid namespace
> process as well.
> 
> What you think?

It sounds like we need to remove the restriction on accessing the
filesystem from a different pid namespace. I don't think this poses a
security problem. However there's no pid mapping that is usable by the
userspace fuse process, so what do we put in the fuse request? Probably
the only candidates are 0 and 0xffffffff.

So a question for the fuse developers - is one value or the other
preferrable for fuse_in_header.pid when the pid cannot be mapped, and is
this going to cause problems for any fuse filesystems? I suspect that
few filesystems actually look at the pid anyway, and already for a
filesystem mounted in a pid namespace the values being given to
userspace won't be correct for the namespace of the fuse process.

Seth

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-20 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-26 19:36 [PATCH v4 00/21] Support fuse mounts in user namespaces Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 01/21] fs: fix a posible leak of allocated superblock Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 04/21] block_dev: Support checking inode permissions in lookup_bdev() Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 05/21] block_dev: Check permissions towards block device inode when mounting Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 06/21] fs: Treat foreign mounts as nosuid Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 08/21] userns: Replace in_userns with current_in_userns Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 09/21] Smack: Handle labels consistently in untrusted mounts Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 10/21] fs: Check for invalid i_uid in may_follow_link() Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` Seth Forshee
2016-05-24 15:55   ` Djalal Harouni
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 11/21] cred: Reject inodes with invalid ids in set_create_file_as() Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 15/21] fs: Don't remove suid for CAP_FSETID in s_user_ns Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` Seth Forshee
     [not found] ` <1461699396-33000-1-git-send-email-seth.forshee-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 19:36   ` [PATCH v4 02/21] fs: Remove check of s_user_ns for existing mounts in fs_fully_visible() Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36     ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` [PATCH v4 03/21] fs: Allow sysfs and cgroupfs to share super blocks between user namespaces Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36     ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` [PATCH v4 07/21] selinux: Add support for unprivileged mounts from " Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36     ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` [PATCH v4 12/21] fs: Refuse uid/gid changes which don't map into s_user_ns Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36     ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` [PATCH v4 13/21] fs: Update posix_acl support to handle user namespace mounts Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36     ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` [PATCH v4 14/21] fs: Allow superblock owner to change ownership of inodes with unmappable ids Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36     ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` [PATCH v4 16/21] fs: Allow superblock owner to access do_remount_sb() Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36     ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36   ` [PATCH v4 17/21] capabilities: Allow privileged user in s_user_ns to set security.* xattrs Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36     ` Seth Forshee
     [not found]     ` <1461699396-33000-18-git-send-email-seth.forshee-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27  7:22       ` James Morris
2016-04-27  7:22         ` James Morris
2016-04-26 19:36   ` [PATCH v4 18/21] fuse: Add support for pid namespaces Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36     ` Seth Forshee
2016-07-20  2:44     ` Sheng Yang
     [not found]       ` <CA+2rt426_pshAauQizcxkfAq16vmEpB4sJ4genW_ucosH3j=zQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20 12:52         ` Seth Forshee [this message]
2016-07-20 12:52           ` Seth Forshee
2016-07-20 22:28           ` Sheng Yang
2016-07-21  7:25           ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-07-21  7:25             ` Miklos Szeredi
2016-04-26 19:36   ` [PATCH v4 19/21] fuse: Support fuse filesystems outside of init_user_ns Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36     ` Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 20/21] fuse: Restrict allow_other to the superblock's namespace or a descendant Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:36 ` [PATCH v4 21/21] fuse: Allow user namespace mounts Seth Forshee
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-04-26 19:30 [PATCH v4 00/21] Support fuse mounts in user namespaces Seth Forshee
     [not found] ` <1461699046-30485-1-git-send-email-seth.forshee-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 19:30   ` [PATCH v4 18/21] fuse: Add support for pid namespaces Seth Forshee
2016-04-26 19:30     ` Seth Forshee

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